I understand a lot of you won’t like this post, but I’m only interested in telling you the things as I see them. I don’t have any sort of absolute truth to offer you and it would be a mistake to expect me to.
I’m not really interested in the business of condemning people for eating meat anymore. There are a multitude of reasons for that. Part of having suffered psychosis means having to figure out what I can do to stop it from happening again, which means that for me, mussels and the omega fatty acids they contain are urgently back on the menu.
I think I’m now definitively done with veganism. I can’t escape the realization that it makes me feel exhausted and depressed. Veganism probably works better for people whose ancestors lived in areas without severe winters, than in my own part of the world, where you had to eat other animals to get through winter. It also seems to work better for women than men. But there’s no point in participating in my own destruction.
We’re clearly able to survive while vegan at least for a period, but for our brain to work properly most of us seem to need some animal products. That’s the real reason less than 1% of the Western male population is vegan.
There are many different ways to look at this problem. I’ve always felt very worried about the well-being of animals. But the reality is also, that animal welfare in the wild is not that much better. Wild life for animals is not paradise. It means starving to death, it means slowly dying from predators like wolves who first go for your belly, it means parasite infestations and other misery.
The reality is that we just don’t know much about how to go about making animals happy. Indicators of stress actually go up when chickens were removed from the batteries and placed into big halls. We humans have a psychological need for freedom, but we project our needs onto animals.
The animals we domesticated, were domesticated over many generations. If they had the sort of severe stress that humans suffer, it would reduce their fertility. They’re not cheetahs, that will only reproduce when they can run long distances together. They’re not highly intelligent animals like whales or elephants. They’re domesticated.
I know about the issues with how pigs are raised by humans, but other than pork I just no longer think I have any real choice but to eat meat. I will probably first introduce eggs again, then fish and other aquatic animals like crab, then I imagine myself eating dairy and beef again too, but pigs are so mistreated in the gestation crates that I can’t really see myself eating them.
If we all end up dying of bird flu, so be it. I have experienced veganism for two years now and vegetarianism bordering on veganism for the past 25 years or so of my life. You can’t force this way of life on people, at least not on men of Northern European ancestry. And I have no interest in being part of a fringe minority of 1% of men of Northern European ancestry who torture themselves in hopes of getting others to join them anymore.
A world with eight billion people is just inherently fragile. Trying to get them all to become vegan is a fool’s errand. It’s a bit like trying to force everyone to stop using fossil fuels. It’s just not going to happen anytime soon. Why would you torture yourself over these problems? You’re not going to be the one who solves them for us all.
We all know by now there’s a climate problem. But it’s not quite the end of the world. Sometimes a thousand people die in a massive wildfire. Well, you know what caused a quarter of a million deaths, on one day? The 2004 tsunami. There are 5.4 million people who died in the Congo war, which was not caused by climate change.
If it really gets too warm, we’ll have to block the sun. We might not like it, but future generations will just have to deal with it, like people had to deal with smog in the 1950’s. Most warming of the past 2 years is actually caused by the fact that we stopped blocking the sun, by removing pollutants from the diesel fuel for ships.
Humans die in natural disasters. In the future, some of those disasters will have been caused by climate change. But climate change is not the only problem in the world and we should not try to solve it with a bizarre diet that was only made possible for Westerners through modern technology like synthetic fertilizers.
Life has never been perfect and never will be. Our job as humans is to try to make our lives good enough.
For me, the blood urea nitrogen tells most of the story. Left we have people without type 2 diabetes, where the link is very clear. The link is even stronger, when you remove the two outliers at the very top (depressed people who eat extreme amounts of animal products have their own problem going on). If you are depressed, you probably have a reduction in nitrogen in your blood, so a protein deficiency, probably tryptophan.
The lowest 10% level of LDL cholesterol has the same effect. Your body needs some LDL cholesterol to temprarily insulate blood vessels when they’re injured. The only real way to achieve such low LDL cholesterol levels, is through vegetarianism/veganism. They also lower your HDL cholesterol, which is also definitely not good.
In men, the lowest third of LDL cholesterol sees a five-fold increased risk of severe depression. The serotonin receptor in the brain seems to need LDL cholesterol to be properly expressed. About 68% of variation in serotonin levels in the body, are explained by cholesterol levels. That’s a very strong correlation.
You can also look at testosterone in men in the lowest 10% of LDL cholesterol levels. It’s clearly decreased:
Vegans love to brag about how low your LDL cholesterol is on a vegan diet. The longer you remain on these diets, the greater the risk of simply exhausting your body in this manner. You need your cholesterol levels to be somewhere in the middle of what’s normal, not on either of the extremes. The issues caused by cholesterol buildup and calcification are better solved with vitamin K2.
So you have deficient protein, particularly tryptophan, which the body uses to produce serotonin. You have deficient cholesterol, so the body struggles to properly place the serotonin receptor on the cells. All these problems pile up, they all amplify each other.
I understand, there are ethnically European men who have been on vegan diets for ten or more years and still look healthy and vital. Maybe they have some mutation that increases your cholesterol. Maybe they had a stress-free life so their body needed less carnitine. Just because there are 1% of people out there who are capable of something, doesn’t mean it’s right to expect it of the other 99%.
And my suspicion might be wrong, I’m not a genius. It might not be protein, it might not be cholesterol, it might be something entirely different. But whatever it is, it must inevitably correlate pretty tightly with animal products in your diet. There’s a reason the stereotype of the depressed, anxious and exhausted vegetarian exists. Like every stereotype, this stereotype exists for a reason. There’s just something in meat, that your body needs.
You can eat soy of course, to increase your intake of protein. But the phytoestrogens in soy bind where estrogen would normally bind in the male brain, but then they fail to do the job that estrogen would normally perform in the male brain. Estrogen in the brain helps us to be social. But the soy is changing your brain, not for the better, it’s linked to Alzheimer’s.
And I suppose you can theoretically be vegan on a high protein diet that does not include soy, because modern industrial capitalism enables just about any deviancy we humans wish to engage in, but when you make your life that difficult you set yourself up for misery too. It’s like the fake “Beyond Meat” at the Burger King. It’s many things, but it’s definitely not natural.
At the end of the day, veganism is a word invented in the 1940’s, but human philosophy, the business of thinking about what is morally correct, goes back thousands of years. And so, you must ask yourself, why did it take until the 1940’s for us to invent a word for the act of not eating animal products.
And well, what I universally tend to notice among the world’s major religions is that meat is not so much forbidden, as it is stigmatized. This is important to keep in mind, because it is a position that is guaranteed to offend both vegans and anti-vegans.
Consider Buddhism. There are Buddhists who are vegan and there are some who require abstinence from meat before they will accept a student, but there are other Buddhists who are decidedly not. There are Buddhist teachings that allow meat when the practitioner has no reason to belief the animal was specifically killed for him.
Or consider the Christian tradition. The history of Christianity is a history of conflict over whether people should eat meat, with Paul urging Christians in his letter to the Romans explicitly to avoid letting this issue cause disagreement between Christians. If someone takes offense to what you eat, don’t eat it, is what he recommends. The abstainers from meat are said to have a “weak faith”.
The Benedictine rules for monks, on which the entire Christian monastical life is based, explicitly prohibit them from eating four-legged animals. There has been a constant history of monks pushing back against this prohibition, with ways to make use of exceptions for eating meat from these animals during sickness, then there came conflict about what constitutes sickness that justifies meat and how to go about proving this.
For Eastern traditions, it seems quite straightforward to think that humans try to avoid causing suffering to animals. But in the Abrahamic traditions, this has always been an issue too. In the Old Testament, it’s prohibited to take parts from living animals. In Judaism, the principle of not causing unnecessary suffering to animals is called Tza’ar ba’alei chayim, it is traced back to Genesis.
It would be presumptuous to think we invented the concept of caring about animals in modern times. Medieval monks, who argued with each other over whether to eat four-legged animals or not, were dealing with the same question that occupies our minds today. Animals were generally not seen as machines. In medieval times, animals could even be tried in court and sentenced for crimes.
There’s one religion you’ll find that is truly vegan, that is Jainism. Jain saints will even wear a mask to avoid inhaling any insects. It’s not coincidence that Jainism has been gradually dying out for thousands of years, replaced by Hinduism. Most Hindus are not vegetarian, often eating poultry and fish. Hinduism has a long history of scholarly debate found in scripture and ancient legal texts, concerning how to properly treat an animal. There are strict rules, that only consider milk to be proper if the calf of a cow has had enough milk to drink before humans can take any of it. Such rules are rarely followed these days however.
The fate of an animal, is to die. It happens to us humans, it happens to non-humans. As humans we’re different from the other animals however, in that we can consider the consequences of what happens when we freely have sex: We will overpopulate the world and eventually all die of hunger. Whenever there are humans who fail to comprehend this principle, their neighbors tend to end up forced to restrain their numbers for them.
Animals can’t restrain their numbers themselves, so they need other means to restrain their population growth. The world can interfere in their freedom by preventing them from reproducing, or it can interfere in their lives, by ending them prematurely. Sex and death are in this sense intimately coupled. All animals ultimately have sex because it creates more animals like their parents. And all animals that have sex inevitably have to die.
The problem with veganism, is that it tends to conflate a lot of different problems into a single absolutist position. You could have a position that cows should deserve the same rights as humans, or that gestation crates are inhumane. But why should it dictate how we treat mussels or jellyfish, animals that have no brains?
The crop death issue has been argued over back and forth to death by now. I’m not interested in arguing over whether more animals die when you eat grain versus when you eat a steak. But I do think it’s relevant, in the sense that nothing you do or eat is ever going to be cruelty free.
If you eat coconuts, they were harvested by monkeys. If you eat chocolate, it was harvested by African children. And if you can live with the reality of your car or bicycle hitting insects and snails, I can’t think of a reason to worry about the suffering of mussels.
There was not some sort of pre-industrial indigenous utopia either, that’s what the radical environmentalist types get wrong. Life has always been kind of shitty. Some indigenous people raped and kidnapped women of neighboring tribes, some indigenous people were cannibals, some chopped down the trees in the rain forest. There is not one single indigenous way of relating to the world either.
Generally speaking, the world unfolds in the most dissatisfying possibility we can think of. It unfolds in a manner without catharsis. So I think it is for the great animal rights debate. We already know what sustainability and health tell us: A diet that is mostly plant-based, with a little bit of meat, dairy and eggs, with most of the meat being sea-food.
I think animal rights ethics, the other angle from which to observe the elephant, points towards the same position too. There are animals we should decidedly never kill or eat. These include the cetaceans, the elephants, the great apes. If we don’t eat humans, we should not eat them either.
But move down the scale of intelligence and you find animals like mussels and oysters, that have no brain because there is nothing to control, save for a single muscle that opens and closes their shell, or jellyfish, animals that are simply layers of cooperating cells, with nothing resembling a nervous system.
And then there are the animals that are shot, simply because they are at risk of overpopulation, like wild hogs in the Netherlands. You could argue the wolves should be left to solve the problem, but then you are no longer arguing in favor of animal rights, as animals that are preyed upon by wolves suffer tremendously.
There are numerous ex-vegans in the world, I am one of them. Veganism is a fringe position that has been tried again and again throughout history, never managing to move far beyond a handful of individuals opposed to the society they live in. I don’t want to participate in it anymore. I wish to feel happy and content.
Well there’s an article title I never expected to see.
My recommendation for you would be Atlantic Mackerel. Near the bottom of the marine food chain so pretty low in methyl mercury and microplastics, and EXTREMELY high in EPA and DHA. Look at this PDF chart from Oregon State University:
https://seafood.oregonstate.edu/sites/agscid7/files/snic/omega-3-content-in-fish.pdf
Atlantic Mackerel has much more Omega-3 than sardines and even wild salmon.
And honestly, there is an argument to be made that when you eat the organ meat of ruminants you are not really contributing to further animal suffering. Because let’s face it, the animal is being slaughtered for its muscle meat, that’s what the masses of normies eat, only the fringe autistic weirdos who spend too much time online eat the organs. Usually the organs go to waste, hardly anyone buys it in the supermarket and it eventually gets thrown out.
The upside to this lack of demand is that it’s extremely cheap. My local supermarket sells grass fed lamb liver for €5 per kilogram. Compare that to beef ribeye steak which is €45 per kilogram. And the liver contains WAY more vitamins and minerals than the ribeye. So much so that many actually recommend to limit your consumption to max one lb. per week (due to the extremely high retinol and copper content). Liver is the most nutrient dense food in the world (with the possible exception of caviar).
But yeah, you deserve some Roquefort. You earned it. And yeah you’re right about pigs, I also no longer eat pork. I cut out dairy too since I’m trying to heal my acne.
Good luck on your dietary journey.
Tryptie and Low Status White Sensitive Male, consider shellfish.
Thanks for the kind words. I plan on having some eggs, some roquefort and some fish soon. Salmon is relatively easy to get. I may look for macquerel too.
I’m planning to get blood analysis done through my doctor too.
It’s medical heresy to say this, but I really think extremely low LDL cholesterol (below <70) is what's causing most of the issues.
Raw eggs are very healthy. The liquid yellow is even antiviral. What did our ancestors do when they found a nest with eggs? They swallowed them raw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF86HqHzfDw
> It’s medical heresy to say this, but I really think extremely low LDL cholesterol (below <70) is what's causing most of the issues.
My father, who now has a pacemaker and attendant heart issues, has an MD wanting him to get his LDL below 70 (I think 70 is low enough). But my father is a Boomer who only slavishly follows what the White Coats say.
Sigh
Oh well.
Careful, too much organ meat, particularly liver, can poison you too (vitamin A, but also copper imbalance)
> Careful, too much organ meat, particularly liver, can poison you too (vitamin A, but also copper imbalance)
Was thinking the same.
I feel kind of sad to see this, although I have a similar position. I am shocked at the sudden 180 here.
I was vegetarian in my teens. I could not bear the thought of animals suffering.
But then I found that some meat is needed for health.
Still, modern pig and poultry farming is absolutely disgusting, on both a physical and moral level.
The sea is also filthy, so seafood is not appealing to me.
Thus I only eat beef in moderation, <200g per day, some eggs (only from expensive free range chickens) and some dairy such as kefir.
If I thought it possible to live without consuming animals or animal products, I would do so. It is tragic that that is not possible.
>If I thought it possible to live without consuming animals or animal products, I would do so. It is tragic that that is not possible.
I have thought so too.
But I’m starting to think a bit of horror and a bit of domination and exploitation have to be part of existence.
It seems the world is incomplete without it.
All the animals evolved to be able to deal with the threat of predators. They can run away, they can fly away or they have horns to defend themselves, because they need them to defend against predators.
Such competition for survival is a necessary part of existence it seems. Without it, we would all be passive and meek.
There doesn’t have to be a metaphysical reason. To live is to suffer and eventually die.
>Such competition for survival is a necessary part of existence it seems. Without it, we would all be passive and meek.
Giving people free stuff is a very cruel thing to do to them. The benefits class are some of the most wretched people around.
I still think it is nice to reduce suffering in general if possible and within a moral framework of non aggression (you don’t get to use the government aka violence to achieve your goals)
It nice to see a discussion of veganism without mentioning Mr Hitler.
Not really related but
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/can-sars-cov-2-reactivate-dormant-measles-virus
Basically covid reactivates latent measles, maybe by killing of memory t cells.
Hey Rintrah, congratulations, this is great news, I’m happy for you. I really believe a lot of your problems will disappear entirely. Nobody who is sensitive and intelligent can be well-adjusted with the way things are going, but you shouldn’t have to suffer excessively either.
Take it from me: I used to eat a vegan / vegetarian diet, not for health reasons or convictions, simply out of habit, and I also felt a lot of the same symptoms but at a lower level of intensity. Once I began eating more meat and cutting out bad foods / carbs, many of my issues (anxiety, lack of motivation, feeling constantly tired or hungry) went away. You don’t have to become some kind of bizarre Instagram carnivore bodybuilder LOL, I’m not either, it’s more about feeling healthy and energetic.
@LSWM Lives Matter– I also eat liver regularly, it’s very nutritious and affordable, plus good for your skin (Vitamin A). Organs in general are underrated, everyone thinks of steak when you say paleo / carnivore, but I probably eat way more organ meat than anything else. I also think it’s important not to waste any part of the animal, out of respect. In some parts of the Med, they’ll eat the brains, even the testicles (!), everything.
> In some parts of the Med, they’ll eat the brains
I have always been curious about trying lamb brain but it’s hard to get, it seems that the only butchers who sell it where I live are Muslim butchers (as you say brain is a delicacy in countries like Turkey) but I refuse to support these businesses because 1) I am a proud Islamophobe and 2) Halal meat is too barbaric because they don’t use a captive bolt pistol to stun the animal prior to slaughter.
@Alex: Zinc protects against copper toxicity and Vitamin D protects against retinol toxicity, so supplementing with these can help. But you should eat more natto if taking high doses of vitamin D to protect against vascular calcification. All the fat soluble vitamins need to be kept in the right balance. Kidneys are also an alternative to liver, they are almost as nutritious but much lower in retinol and copper. Bit high in selenium though. Getting hair trace mineral analysis may be advised for people who eat a lot of these foods as a precautionary measure.
I’m in the same boat, always been curious but have never had the chance to try it (or other rare cuts).
I didn’t know it was a delicacy in Turkey, I was thinking more of the western Med:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criadilla
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casquer%C3%ADa
Spain has a proud 800+ year history of Islamophobia!
Having to balance all this shit is so tiresome. It implies to me that either the diet is fundamentally incorrect, or that the food we eat is not the same as it was. Or both.
Wild animals don’t have to think about balancing their fucking copper, so why do I?
Hi Rintrah, I’ve been reading you for a while but this is my first comment. I understand what a difficult decision this must have been for you, but it seems wise. I’m also very sensitive and feel deeply for the welfare of other living things, but I have to eat some meat and eggs in order to be healthy enough to function.
It has always helped me to keep in mind this good advice I heard years ago about the ethics of eating meat:
“All living things live by eating other living things — even plants choke each other out and send their roots to dine on the bodies of the dead. Plants are also alive and conscious, though their consciousness differs from ours. It is certainly appropriate to avoid cruelty in killing living things for food, whatever kind of living thing we’re talking about; the people I know who raise livestock for food like to make sure that their animals have only one bad day in their lives.” (John Michael Greer)
This has always made sense to me. So I try to source my meat and eggs from people who have raised their animals in as loving and ethical a way possible, with most of the animals’ days being good ones.
I hope that adding some animal products into your diet will help you feel better, and that you can be at peace with it.
KT
Thanks KT. I love JMG.
The logical answer is Soylent Green.
As the vaxxies die off, they can be ground up, freeze dried, processed into delicious tasting biscuits and then eaten at leisure.
Then the animals can be spared, whilst the people can still eat dead meat.
If you are gay, then glory-holes can provide the dessert. Nothing better than eating squirty meat, that is alive.
This shows a great deal of moral courage. Best of luck on the journey.
I have said elsewhere, the natives and aboriginals had it right – taking a life is always serious, and therefore acknowledging “life for life” with a spirit of gratefulness and humility sanctifies the transaction and gives meaning to the life lost. Even Jesus said the death of the littlest sparrow does not go unnoticed. So if I can offer anything, it is that – let your journey be tempered by the existential spirituality that is food consumption.
And the reason that religions, especially the monastic orders, forbade meat, was two-fold. First, abstaining from meat lowers energy levels and reduces “worldly temptations”. Sexual desire is easier to control. But secondly, it was to purposely embrace suffering. It was done in the same spirit as self-flagellation.
Again, good luck and kudos to you for your courage.
Yes very courageous of Radagast to write this blog.
I’m now convinced that the healthiest diet for humans is some combination of Okinawan/Mediterranean/Paleo.
I used to think that the ketogenic diet was the ultimate diet for health and longevity but now no longer feel this way. Rintrah is right, lots of issues with long term keto diets like constipation, muscle cramps, drop in athletic performance and insomnia. A lot of these issues stem from electrolyte imbalance due to insulin levels being TOO LOW. You need a base level of insulin for your kidneys to hold onto electrolytes. And Rintrah’s also right about the carnivore diet, you can damage your organs from iron overload after a few years of that diet.
And something like 85% of vegans eventually abandon the diet.
There is definitely a “middle ground sweet spot” to strive for that balances health, ethics and environmental concerns.
Experimental fat loss substack (yes, yes) is a good read. There are some fascinating studies e.g. protein restriction for fat loss.
Slime mold time mold also has a great series, but I think their conclusion misses the mark
I’m a little sad to see this. I’ve been vegan for 6 years and am not really experiencing any of these problems that you speak of. I do eat oysters regularly, and am open to eating eggs again if I raise my own chickens.
I do think it is as you say that veganism lumps things that shouldn’t be together together. I don’t think eating a cow is the same as eating a fish. I really hope you don’t go back to eating mammals, but I think eggs/fish/insects could make some sense from a nutritional perspective. I also get the psychological problems of thinking everyone around you is evil for not being vegan. I guess that affects me much less than it seems to affect you. People are shitty, and I know my own actions can’t really affect that.
@VeganofEden: “I’ve been vegan for 6 years and am not really experiencing any of these problems that you speak of. I do eat oysters regularly, and am open to eating eggs…”
If you’ve been eating oysters regularly, you’re not vegan, which explains why you haven’t experienced health problems.
Probably the only healthy vegans are those that are not strict vegan, so they might as well just call themselves vegetarian.
I tried veganism for a couple months in my early twenties, and being a vegetarian at the time, meant eliminating dairy products and eggs, but I noticed I started to develop a nervous disorder, where I felt really out of it, with frequent panic attacks, but as soon as as I started eating cheese and eggs, it all went away, and I felt normal again.
“Probably the only healthy vegans are those that are not strict vegan, so they might as well just call themselves vegetarian.”
A person who eats oysters is not a vegetarian. “Vegan of Eden” should be “Pescatarian of the Some Unsurprising Location.”
Yeah, you’re right. Thanks for clarifying. I’m aware of the difference, but that statement was made more so as an observation about vegans in general, that many that call themselves vegan may actually be vegetarian, whether it means they are taking supplements derived from animal products, or they eat eggs or dairy once in awhile. A lot of frozen veggie burgers have egg white in them, and is easy to miss if you aren’t religiously reading the ingredients.
A lot of them also like calling themselves vegan when they actually aren’t, because it’s trendy and they enjoy being part of the vegan clique. Those tend to be the most militant ones, as if they are on a crusade to save the world, and only they have the answer and the answer is veganism, always trying to convert as many people to veganism as possible, because it makes them feel more powerful as a group, gives them a stronger sense of identity and purpose. But if you look at it, many of them are lying, they are unhealthy, with mental health problems, or they are not strict vegan, and not being honest about it.
I think veganism is okay for short-term fasting, but is not healthy in the long-term without also consuming small amounts of animal products.
A person who claims to be vegan but eats oysters is simply lying.
So funny. I’m a non smoker, I just vape tobacco. Lol
Honestly you should have just tried energy training instead, you are being pretty heavily influenced by demons (I can read your energy, and it’s not your fault it just happens to some people) and it’s clearly making you feel like shit. Becoming a loosh addict might satiate them and reduce the symptoms but it won’t solve the underlying problem. I know where this is likely headed now and I don’t like it, but at least I can say I tried really hard to warn you about it all. Good luck, and I hope for both yours and the animals’ sakes that you figure it out eventually.
Never take advice from a suicide waiting to happen.
I know you’re just a hylic but I was trying to help radagast from losing his soul in the same way you have clearly already lost yours.
You don’t ”have a soul”. You’re just a retard who pretends he has magic powers to cope with being a loser.
Some of us do. An NPC would predictably not understand this.
Yeah, yeah. Everyone’s an npc except for you. It’s pure coincidence that you have nothing to show for it. I’m so happy that Rin is breaking away from you dollar store Chris Chans and your dollar store dimensional merges.
No, not everyone is, but you specifically are. It’s a decent chunk of the population but not everybody. It’s another thing that it’s possible to sense energetically, anyone who has been training for sufficiently long will be able to pick up on it as well. I’m not really even talking to ‘you’ because I understand there’s not really a ‘person’ to talk to, I’m really just writing this for the sake of any third parties reading this and who might be able to learn something from it.
I know it’s probably going to respond with another canned meme reply, it’s like talking to an AI chatbot in the sense that if you make a post, they will always reply no matter what, so I’m just going to make this my last reply and end this conversation here, and my preemptive response to whatever comes next is ‘lol’.
Listen dickhead – I am the fucking retard here – nobody else.
Understand?
Good.
>help radagast from losing his soul
I understand.
>just a hylic
See here’s the thing with the gnostics.
You’ve shown me what a better world would look like to you. And to me it just looks too sugary sweet and childish.
There has to be some conflict in life. There have to be some hierarchies. Nobody would want to play a game in which there are no battles.
There is a kind of necessity of evil for existence.
If we were to take your view of life to its natural conclusion, we would have to genetically re-engineer the cheetahs to stop chasing after gazelle.
I just can’t believe that’s right.
I don’t like seeing pigs in gestation crates, I don’t like seeing pigs in gas chambers.
But I just can’t get myself to condemn Joe Sixpack for shooting a deer in the head with a clean shot and then eating the flesh.
The whole grassfed beef thing is American LSWMs doing the same, trying to find some sort of balance, not abuse of animals and not the gnostic path of condemning life on this earth as inherently erroneous.
First, I don’t actually expect to change your mind about anything, because you already know a lot about veganism and I get strong sense that you haven’t even arrived at this place logically.
But I’ll speak my thoughts anyway. You’re better than this, dude. This reads like a very, very forced set of arguments, like you pre-emptively came to the conclusion that you were going to eat meat again because you thought it would feel good and the demons in your head were feeding you intrusive thoughts that it would end your suffering, and then you post-hoc attached a bunch of low-tier carnist talking points to it because you desperately needed some kind of logical-sounding moral framework to justify backsliding on something which you had previously placed so much moral weight on.
There’s nothing fun or interesting or cool or inventive or inspiring or empowering or constructive or playful or adventurous or sexy about a bunch of animals rotting away in a giant cage so that they can be cut up for a fat ameriboomer to eat so he can get his dose of psychic opiates. This is not the kind of conflict that makes life worth living. This is not some epic battle that strengthens your soul, it’s not fighting for anything that’s worth fighting for. And most of all, this isn’t a game. You fucking KNOW this already, to frame it as a game is to turn a blind eye to the suffering which goes on in this place. If you’re playing a game and someone gets genuinely hurt, you stop the fucking game.
>See here’s the thing with the gnostics. You’ve shown me what a better world would look like to you. And to me it just looks too sugary sweet and childish.
There are an infinite, countless number of fucking ways to imagine reality being different in ways that would be way fucking cooler than this place: more novel, more exciting, more wondrous, without it involving like, the rape of the innocent or whatever fucking garbage. Like, use your imagination, you must surely know or feel this on some level. Don’t constrain yourself to what you’ve been told about the laws of material reality either, it’s all bullshit as you’ll find out sooner or later. It doesn’t have to be sugary sweet or childish – this is a strawman. It could be something mind-bendingly insane beyond anything you’ve imagined or experienced in this life. There could be countless worlds to experience, you could fly around, take drugs unknown to man, go on adventures which haven’t even been dreamt before – but to get there you have to stop reincarnating into the prison dimension. That’s what you need to understand. You are in a prison, the prison wardens can manipulate your feelings, you are being tortured and your feelings are being manipulated in a way so that you accept it.
I’m not saying we need to go live in the world of the fucking Teletubbies, I’m saying we need to escape the prison and end the brutalization of the innocent, at which point we can find a way to where we actually want to be. If you want to find a way to some metaphysical situation where you can live out some kind of consensual-spiritual-BDSM epic tragidrama or something, maybe (probably) there is a way to do that but you will have to fucking stop reincarnating and leave this place first to get there, because the idea that this place, is that, is false. Note that none of this necessitates evil, either, that’s just another gaslight they frequently like to throw around.
Also, there were all kinds of things you could have tried first to address how you felt, before turning to an activity which causes innocent beings to be tortured. You could have tried energy training like I mentioned, you could have tried switching up your diet in other ways, any other significant change in your lifestyle, any number of things. There are literally millions of vegans out there who have been that way for decades, without any problems whatsoever. They aren’t a different species, you know this dude. There is no magical nutrient that requires you to eat a slab of meat that was tortured on a factory farm (except loosh).
I mean like, literally not even two weeks ago you directly compared eating beef to “raping someone because you want to get laid.” Which I think also indicates some other psychosexual issues which I hope you will eventually address. The truth about gender, is that every souled being in inherently both male and female, kind of like two different beings who are also two halves of a single being in a divine marriage. Most people are not aware of their own dual nature, most in this world will never figure it out. A lot of carnism is actually rooted in these types of psychosexual issues, there is a sense of masculine insecurity within it. In the end, all that you leave this reality with is your self, and how you treat others always has an effect on the relationship you have with your self as well. Even though the world is a corpse, how you treat the corpse of that goddess also reflects in the condition of your own soul, especially the feminine half, so when you condone the torture of the innocent you end up spiritually mutilating yourself and the relationship between the masculine and feminine halves of your being as well. The other reason I tell you to energy train is because it’s pretty obvious that the feminine half of you is attracted to basically demons at the moment, like in a lustful way, and it’s actually one of the main tactics that they use to undermine people spiritually or even to rend their soul from them ultimately: like breaking up a (divine) marriage by luring away the wife. Like if you look at the shit you wrote in that your post “if the devil were among us” it basically reads like some kind of woman’s sex fantasy, you should not ignore this type of thing but you should be energy training and figuring your stuff out so that you can actually get rid of the shit that’s emotionally manipulating you in this way. These aren’t normal times we’re living in right now, the world is in an extremely dark place and in the past years things have been getting increasingly surreal, even, so these types of dangers actually need to be paid attention to right now.
I feel like it doesn’t really matter what I say, I just wanted to say it anyway.
Man suffering from malnutrition visits mental institution.
Trypties says, “You haven’t even arrived at this place logically.”
The good news is, after a few months of consuming modest amounts of animal protein, Vitamin B12, and zinc, the man will be capable of arriving at places logically. Godspeed, Rintrah.
> There is a kind of necessity of evil for existence.
I recently watched a Jeremy Mishlove “New Thinking Aloud” podcast where he was interviewing some “spiritual” dude and asked him what his favorite guru would say about the “Problem of Evil”
The guest explained that his Guru took a moment to contemplate, then said “it thickens the plot”
How anyone here feels about the idea that evil is thickening the plot is the very thing that seperates us
Solid: It is possible, and actually pretty easy, to eat in a nutritionally complete way as a vegan. There are millions of people who do it.
“Solid: It is possible, and actually pretty easy, to eat in a nutritionally complete way as a vegan. There are millions of people who do it.”
I think about 99 percent of the people who claim they are vegan, are making it up, like “VeganofEden.” And that vanishingly few genuine vegans have been vegan long term (say, over 15 years). We don’t really know how safe it is long term. Even Helen Nearing “cheated” sometimes and had dairy, and that is what she admitted to; who knows what she actually ate. I have literally never met a long term strict vegan in the real world, and I live in an extremely vegan friendly area. We just don’t know if it is safe long term; we don’t have trustworthy data. You’d really need blood tests to confirm adherence to the diet; people lie about what they eat all the time in food studies.
Yup, this is all very true. About 1% of the Western population claims to be vegan. They’re mostly women and they’re disproportionately of African ancestry.
For white men, we get perhaps 0.5%. Think about how rare that is. There are more people born as white men who end up identifying as women, than as vegans. There are more people who believe in ghosts and aliens than there are vegans. There are more men HIV positive than there are vegan men.
Among top athletes like Marathon runners, about 2% claim to be vegan. And heaven knows how vegan they really are. People can claim to be all sorts of things they’re not.
And then out of those ~0.5% vegan men only a handful have been vegan for more than 10 years or so, which is how long it could take before you start seeing problems like bone mass loss or cognitive decline from a lack of omega 3 fatty acids.
I’ll believe in veganism when we have something like 10% of the population as vegans, who were born to vegan parents. Until that time I’m not convinced this is a sustainable way to live for most people.
We have plenty of data on the safety of vegan diets – dozens of studies, possibly hundreds. This shit has been around for ages, and there are literally millions of vegans around. It’s incredibly disingenuous to act like this is some borderline non-existent phenomenon we know nothing about, when there are tons of vegan people out there who have been living that way for decades and are very healthy. And the data we do have says that it’s not only safe, but actually superior from a health standpoint compared to what the average person tends to eat at present, provided you get the right nutrients, which is really easy to do. You’re just baselessly implying that the data isn’t “trustworthy” because it doesn’t align with what you’re actually saying. You know what’s actually not trustworthy? Random anecdotes from pseudonymous internet people.
And on that note, I think this idea you pulled out of your ass that vegans are all secretly lying is actually some weird form of projection. Believe it or not, some people actually do believe in things and back their beliefs up through their actions, they’re not all MAGAboomer spiritual black voids who only believe in the victory of the political equivalent of their home sports team, who only pretend to hold moral positions for socially or politically expedient reasons. The comment section of this blog isn’t what every human being is like in general, thank god.
By the way I literally got serial killer vibes from your statement in another post, that we need a medication to give to cows so that when their calves are taken away they are not upset. Just imagine if something like that happened to you or to someone you know. My close friend said basically the same thing when I linked her to that post of yours, and also added that you gave her the impression of a “sinister, arrogant, passive-aggressive individual hiding behind a demeanor of holier-than-thou religious piety”. I tend to agree.
>Man suffering from malnutrition visits mental institution.
Trypties says, “You haven’t even arrived at this place logically.”
Indeed.
We all know you’re carrying a lot of baggage Tryptie, but must you club Rintrah around the head with it right after he’s gotten out of treatment and is trying to look after himself?
Not everything is about you.
Again, zero evidence he was suffering from any kind of malnutrition whatsoever. That’s just something you completely made the fuck up out of nowhere. It doesn’t become true just because of repetition.
Also, nothing I said in the post you quoted was even ‘about me’ at all. Like I said, people like you just lie shamelessly and without end. You’re not even worth engaging with in a serious manner, you don’t care about what’s true so why should I care about anything you say at all?
“Also, nothing I said in the post you quoted was even ‘about me’ at all. Like I said, people like you just lie shamelessly and without end. You’re not even worth engaging with in a serious manner, you don’t care about what’s true so why should I care about anything you say at all?”
Blah, blah.
Sophistry.
It was all about you.
I find it uncanny how Tryptie will combine Valley Girl slang (‘like’, ‘literally’, ‘fucking’ this or that) as well as other superficially feminine phrases with 100% male patterns of thought, things that no woman thinks or would ever say. Just compare the comments above with those of the women who post here, or any woman you know IRL.
It’s like a mixture of the worst aspects of women (catty, bitchy, passive-aggressive, fault-finding) with the worst aspects of men– seething delusions of self-importance, egocentrism and disdain for everyone else and rage at society, debate lord / sperg / atheist nitpicking, and all kinds of other syndromes that only (bottom of the barrel) guys have.
Then a worldview which can be summarized as ‘You need to look at the evidence, consult the experts’ & ‘Reality is a myth, you can alter it with your mind’ is presented as if it were perfectly normal and sensible and even coherent.
I think the tranny thing is one of those areas where I agree with Sharia Law.
>It’s like a mixture of the worst aspects of women (catty, bitchy, passive-aggressive, fault-finding) with the worst aspects of men– seething delusions of self-importance, egocentrism and disdain for everyone else and rage at society, debate lord / sperg / atheist nitpicking, and all kinds of other syndromes that only (bottom of the barrel) guys have.
Vox Day created a term for those people. ”Gamma male”. He’s by no means the only one. In general, Vox’s theory of the male socio-sexual hierarchy and the corresponding personality types is brilliant and should be looked into.
Tryptie, could you cite some of those studies? I have not been able to find credible studies of LONG TERM veganism in which the claims of the participants were in any way checked. You keep saying the studies exist, so I’d like to see some.
Since you take all sorts of drugs in order to survive reality, I don’t see why we shouldn’t help cows in that way. Otherwise we are just allowing suffering that could be avoided. Why would you want that? If people are not going to be vegan, it is better to reduce suffering in another way. Unless you actually like suffering.
You aren’t even a long term vegan yourself, so your moralism falls flat.
Jesus H. Christ, y’all overthink way too much.
For Millenia, liver and guts where only eaten after a bigger animal got slaughtered. I.e. once a month or so. Lo and behold, liver once a month is about right for what it delivers.
“I have known many Gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death… Let me live deeply while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my plate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle… and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is an illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and I am content”
(from Conan The Cimmerian)
The more we evolve spiritually, the more we approach Bhagavad Gita (Stephen Mitchell’s translation recommended)
Spending too much time wondering about minutiae of rules in holy books or societal ethics is just as much a folly as living with no ethics
Live Free
Die Well
Yep. Theories have a role, they’re not a purpouse unto themselves. Know how to live, but by God, live.
I too am a vox day enjoyer. Trypti Is indeed a gamma male. Love to see the sociosexual hierarchy referenced accurately. For those who don’t know, Vox Day coined the term Sigma male before generation alpha spread it all over tick tock.
> Yep. Theories have a role, they’re not a purpouse unto themselves. Know how to live, but by God, live.
For what purpose?
“But I’m starting to think a bit of horror and a bit of domination and exploitation have to be part of existence.
It seems the world is incomplete without”
Evil has taken over this world, but our job should be to fight against it, not roll over and accept it
> Evil has taken over this world, but our job should be to fight against it, not roll over and accept it
More dualism
What is “evil?”
enhanced pattern recognition is useless without profound chemistry knowledge. soak some linseed oil in a papertowel, compress that loosely to a ball and place that outside on a warm sunny day.make sure nothing flammable is nearby,like dry grass or wood. be patient and study the effects before you beginn to build your cell walls upon intrinsically unstable molecules like omega3shitty acids..nice way to sell useless bycatch to the masses..the lies didnt start with covid. if you want to stay vegan extend your intestines with fermenting foods and waterkefir(with molasses).works for me since 2001. test for occult blood in your stool you may have leaky gut from nattokinase intake. seems you never had real pineapples or kiwifruits back in the days when they had plenty of bromelain and actinidain..they chew you up fom inside if you have the tiniest scratch in your mucous membranes.
What an unexpected post! Change of mind means you have the capacity to change your mind. And that is a good thing.
So I am very supportive here. Some time ago I started slightly cheating on being vegan, not in a major way but in a small way.
In any case, it is possible that you (like most people) think that your world views are based on evidence. But it may be that the views are based on personality and the intricate chemical brain balance. Then you find evidence to fit your personality. But the personality determines whether the “evidence” you find comes from Fox News or MSNBC.
This Reddit poster reported that his parents, lifelong liberals, became Trump supporters after taking Ohuyasca.
https://x.com/ichudov/status/1910369393785123095
I will write some more later.
>This Reddit poster reported that his parents, lifelong liberals, became Trump supporters after taking Ohuyasca.
That just makes me think Ayahuasca causes brain damage.
Oh, come on now Ratty. Now that you’ve reoriented your nutritional beliefs you’re primed to consider just a wee bit of populist Trumpism. Try it – think: Individuals thrive when pursuing their own rational self interest. How was that? Do you feel a bit less comfortable about having an expert elite managing your life?
This is what I cannot figure out – the Trump hating.
Trump and his children are crypto-Jews, as was his mother and first wife. Trump is sliding back in via the grandchildren, hoping that nobody would notice. Even somebody as retarded as I am can see this. Look for example at Ivanka – the Ashkenazi DNA is written all over her:
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/190905104300-01-ivanka-trump-0904.jpg?q=x_0,y_138,h_1898,w_3372,c_crop/h_653,w_1160/f_webp
Ratty should love Trump.
Give him time. (I do not love Trump, but I do not hate Trump either)
Butter, cheese and milk are healthy (best if organic of course). Raw eggs are very healthy. The yellow of the egg if still liquid and not cooked is even antiviral.
My rule of thumps is: do everything “they” say you should not do.
Breakfast of a champ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF86HqHzfDw
Mr. Overton who lived to 112 consumed what he liked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXyfCGDnuWs
Your body tells you what you need.”They” trained us to mistrust our body and souls.
The term “little people” comes from feudal middle age europe were only the gentry and the clerics was allowed to hunt and eat meat. So the peasants were smaller and weaker and dunber, just like the ruling class wanted it to be. Poaching was severely punished. Today the ruling neofeudal class wants us mentally and physically small like then. So they tell us meat, milk, butter and eggs are bad for us and “the planet” while lauging their butts off and eating fine kobe steaks.
Raw eggs (if possible organic) are very healthy. The yellow if still liquid is antiviral.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF86HqHzfDw
Mr Overton who lived to 112 did not care about any consumption advice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXyfCGDnuWs
Anyways: health (mental and physical) and longevity has 3 components: genetics, live style, that includes the diet, and luck.
Hitler was a vegetarian. He loved his dog Blondie. The Nazis introduced the first animal protection law in the world. He also had an organic food farm in east prussia and had the vegetables delivered by plane to Berlin. And yet he was a bad bad man.
So it turns out that seafood corrects for the deficiencies of an otherwise v-gan diet, interesting.
Do I get any credit for plugging pescetarianism for years in your comments?
Sorry, I’ve tried to be more pleasant in your comments lately but this post is literally just you finding out the hard way everything I’ve been trying to get you to understand ever since we first met. Think back to those circumstances and understand – I was trying to help you back then, and had you accepted it, you could’ve fast forwarded straight to where you are now without the suffering in between. I really hope you understand that:
1) I meant well for you, and
2) I was goddamn right, and you were wrong, to your great detriment
>1) I meant well for you, and
>2) I was goddamn right, and you were wrong, to your great detriment
Yup. I think you were right. Unfortunately it seems I had to find out things the same way you did, the hard way.
I feel really awful now, but will probably introduce fish soon and maybe wild animals that were shot.
Thanks for your effort to help me.
>But I just can’t get myself to condemn Joe Sixpack for shooting a deer in the head with a clean shot and then eating the flesh.
Almost 20 years ago I took a hunting class in Denver, CO. 90% of attendees were redneck types with their young’uns. 10% were barefoot (yes, actually) hippies from Boulder that had arrived to the same conclusions as Rintrah.
Unless you allow heavy wolf populations, herbivores MUST be culled somehow, lest they destroy the ecosystem by overgrazing. Too many deer also mean a lot of car accidents too.
Hunting isn’t easy. Locating that buck in season, getting close to it (under 50m with bow and arrow), getting off a good shot, field dressing it… Try it sometimes 🙂
>Unless you allow heavy wolf populations, herbivores MUST be culled somehow, lest they destroy the ecosystem by overgrazing. Too many deer also mean a lot of car accidents too.
Yep, this is correct. We in the Netherlands have a proper example of what happens when you fail to cull the herbivores and don’t have any predators: Oostvaardersplassen. Here the animals slowly die of hunger.
Fucko I told you before that I thought you were right that ovo-pescatarianism was the way to go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF86HqHzfDw
Good decision. Eat to feel good, be healthy. Nothing else matters.
I can respect a willingness to learn and grow. Now let’s see if you have an open mind to climate change. Go read ethical skeptic’s very lengthy and science-dense article. Get back to us when you can write intelligently on the subject.
Good on you. I stopped eating meat (although I never was a vegan) for a long time because of your blog, although I have started again, although my new level of consumption is much lower. The only animals I have ever really been comfortable eating are fish that got to live normal lives in the ocean and cows, because cows are treated much better than pigs or chickens are and one cow goes a lot further. And of course things like mussels that do not have brains.
Veganism is a completely sane and principled reaction to the horrors of factory farming, and is a nice idea – but that chart with the blood urea is striking, and of course we’ve known for a long time that supplementing things mostly found in animal foods like choline and carnitine is helpful even for people who eat meat regularly.
Although this is a bit hard to say in the context of civilization and me buying the meat I eat from a store, ultimately all of life on earth lives in cooperation with itself, and although we humans (and maybe elephants and whales and such) are the only form of life that can understand this, we are also deeply committed, at least in the present era, to not behaving as such. Traditionally food animals played various roles in the ecosystems that humans created for themselves – they were self-propelled stores of calories for nomads, or they ate things that humans could not for both nomads and sedentary farmers, and in turn got eaten themselves. In return they were kept safe, protected from the weather to some extent, assisted in birthing their young, and were killed humanely by nearly every human culture.
Animals in the wild have a similar symbiotic relationship with their apex predator – in exchange for having enough food to eat and maybe reproduce during their lifetime, the apex predators (or intermediate ones) get to eat them. Not much comfort to a moose getting eaten ass first by a pack of wolves, though! Too bad it wasn’t a human with a gun that would feel awful about a bad shot for years and strive to do better next time.
So happy to hear this. The world needs you functioning.
I am happy to say that in the 19 years that I was a strict ethical vegan, I never once suggested to another person that s/he be vegan. I do not have that on my conscience. What I said was that I thought it was the ethical thing to do (and it is), but that it was not clear that it was medically safe, and that if I had to guess I would say that it wasn’t healthful, and that if it turned out that it was harming my health I would go back to eating animal products. So, it was harming my health, and I am no longer vegan. Being vegan did not affect my mood (after I learned I needed to supplement with selenium), but it wouldn’t surprise me if that were the problem for some vegans.
Don’t eat pigs, lambs or ducks. They are too smart or cute. I would not eat crabs since I think it is evil to boil a living creature alive. I don’t eat beef unless if it would be thrown out otherwise (elderly relative in home), but it is the most ethical choice of non-vegan foods other than eggs. There is no reason to not eat pasture raised eggs; the chickens do not care and they have great lives. We need a medication to give to cows so that when their calves are taken away they are not upset.
I also never tell anyone to be vegan, in fact I tell them that I will be vegan only for as long as it makes sense to me and I never pass any judgment.
> I would not eat crabs since I think it is evil to boil a living creature alive.
I thought it was possible to stab them in the brain before putting them in the pot?
(I sometimes wish someone would stab my brain and release me from this Darwinian Hell Realm)
You can stick a screwdriver through one of the plates on the underside.
I think you just need to be careful about your foodstuffs, there is a small organic 28 acre farm near me where I buy most of my animal products from incl raw milk, they raise them ethically with pigs outside and chickens roaming around. Not overly expensive either.
It’s kind of inspirational that with such a small average they can produce chicken, pigs, micro herd for milk etc.
I dabbled in veganism myself as did some friends for moral reasons. Today, I can’t help but view vegans as morally misguided. I understand the impulse not to harm animals, but the reality is the ethical farming gives animals a better life and a more painless death than nature ever could. The real mission of veganism (not considering climate impact) is best fulfilled by being very conscientious about where you buy your meat. Know the farmer personally, that’s what I do.
Aside from this, avoiding animal products only makes sense if those animals are kept in cruel conditions, same as meat. The idea that one would avoid drinking milk in principle because doing so harms a cow is hilarious when you consider how cows live in india and that their lives revolve around those cows milk, cream, and butter.
I’m glad you’re considering these things and hope the new diet bring the benefits you need. Fwiw, I’ve also seen many vegans, mostly athletes, go down this path. It works for a couple years, but then emotional and mental problems set in. I’m speaking of white men here, but still. It’s a good detox, but even avid vegans I’ve known tent to hit a wall around year five and cannot go further.
https://youtu.be/Jtr2XPuPxzE?si=mv1X5JY06QH_Kn1C
Tryptie:
> I feel like it doesn’t really matter what I say, I just wanted to say it anyway.
Raddie is just now understanding the rising tide of “anti-semitism” which augurs a New World, and feeling the need to be a “warrior” or something.
Understandable.
But also revealing.
(As it is for so many of you here)
I never expected to read this. I even told my wife how surprised I was by it, and she said it took a lot of maturity to admit you needed to change something in your life. I hope the new diet helps you feel better.
Good speed on your recovery mate. Support the courage to write this and your posts.
I can appreciate your dilemma, Raddie
No matter what you think, we still kill living beings
It really sucks
The best we can hope for is more kind and compassionate ways of killing
I hate this world we find ourselves in
As a Schizoid, I can say we are eternal “fence-sitters” who figuratively curl up in the classroom corner as we observe the various personalities who grow up and seem to possess a form of “moral certitude” which eludes us (how can anyone know what is “right” and “true”?)
We simply observe from the sidelines.
Wombat posted an Audioslave track in the other blog post.
One of my favorites.
This one is also quite good
The yearning to know “how to live”
You mentioned the Cheetahs who only are free when they can run unemcumbered
And with the early dawn
Moving right along
I couldn’t buy an eye full of sleep
And in the aching night under satellites
I was not received
Built with stolen parts
A telephone in my heart
Someone get me a priest
To put my mind to bed
This ringing in my head
Is this a cure or is this a disease?
Nail in my hand
From my Creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live!
Nail in my hand
From my Creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live!
And in the after birth
On the quiet earth
Let the stains remind you
You thought you made a man
You better think again
Before my role defines you
Nail in my hand
From my Creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live!
Nail in my hand
From my Creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live!
And in your waiting hands
I will land, and roll out of my skin
And in your final hours I will stand
Ready to begin
Ready to begin
Ready to begin
Ready to begin
Nail in my hand
From my Creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live!
Nail in my hand
From my Creator
You gave me life
Now show me how to live!
Show me how to live
Show me how to live
Show me how to live
Show me how to live
https://youtu.be/vVXIK1xCRpY?si=G48ZuEU5DUegaOv_
They’re both awesome songs, both among my favourites as well.
RIP Chris Cornell, nobody sings like you anymore.
You and I probably have quite a bit in common, apart from hatred of Jews and a trans fetish.
> You and I probably have quite a bit in common, apart from hatred of Jews
I wouldn’t characterize it as “hatred” exactly, but yes, such a difference is the sort of thing that separates a man
i think you have made a positive step. i believe giving your body the best fuel/ nutrients enables a healthy life. along with proper rest and good relationships, water , and exercise
Just walking in nature/forest is also very healthy. The famous 10.000 steps every day. Good for body and soul.
Lurker since covid. I never felt the desire to log in and debate things I didn’t agree with, you are so prescient about so many other things.
You are on the right track here, very happy to see you responding well to your most recent troubles. Keep going on this path. You nailed it re: LDL (lower is not good but there is a massive industry that wants you to pay for pills to make it so). Meat is critical and good, and it is still right to care for humane treatment of animals whilst also consuming them.
Look up the work of PD Mangan and triglyceride/HDL ratios. Eat meat, get trim, get sunshine and Vitamin D, and don’t worry about LDL.
You are on a good path and should be feeling optimistic. Keep it up!
If possible sunbath every day. Most Vitamin D is produced through the eyes so wearing shades is not good for that. The lighter your skin the more Vit D can be produced in the not so sunny western/northern europe. White europeans are perfectly made for life in cold and cloudy Europe. In our hemisphere Vit D is only produced naturally between april and october.
your vitamin D is going down the sink if you clean your skin with soap. its a useless byproduct of metabolism. first synthetic vitamin D was made of lanolin(woolfat) at a time when synthetic fibers exterminated the wool industry so they bribed the asshole scientists to invent fairytales,same story with “essential” unsaturated fats.if vit.D was crucial i would be constantly sick and have brittle bones but thats not the case..
No need to cover the whole body everyday with soap and rubbing off the natural protection fat layer every time.
BTW: Google Aleppo soap. 100% organic, made from olive oil and laurel, used by the mediteranian people since antiquity. Good for washing body and hair, useful as shaving soap and even for washing clothes. A piece costs about 8 Euros but lasts quite a while so its no more expensive than chemical shower gels.
we europeans bath everday..it makes no difference if you emulsify your skinfat with heavy chemical soap or organic ones the outcome is the same.Vit.D goes into the sink..research gorillas and Vit.D. you will find out that captive gorillas dont produce much 25-hydroxychalciferol even if the were fed with fortified foods. now think of wild gorillas having fur,dark skin,living in the shade of the jungle without consuming significant Vit.D sources.how would they grow that big..its bullshit.imagine yourself becoming a scientist who wants to save the world and become famous(they all want that).you decide to research vitamins(vita/life-aminos/stink,nice joke).after 10 years of useless research you find out its all lie.what do you do? standing up against an established industry and tell yourself you failed after years of study? or do perpetuate the lie and stuff your pocket? science is a system of belief like religion straight from the circumcised vampires.
BetaAlpha: I never thought about how animals get their Vitamin D: How hair-coated animals such as dairy cows synthesize endogenous vitamin D(3) during exposure to summer sunlight has been unclear since vitamin D(3) and its relation to sunlight was discovered. The fur of fur-bearing animals is thought to be comparable to clothing in humans, which prevents vitamin D(3) synthesis in the skin during exposure to sunlight. Different scenarios have been suggested but never tested in cows; for example, that vitamin D(3) is synthesized from sebum on the hair and ingested by cows during grooming or that body areas such as the udder and muzzle that have scant hair exclusively produce the vitamin. To test different scenarios, 16 Danish Holstein dairy cows were subjected to 4 degrees of coverage of their bodies with fabric that prevented vitamin D(3) synthesis in the covered skin areas. The treatments were horse blanket (cows fitted with horse blankets), udder cover (cows fitted with udder covers, horse blanket+udder cover (cows fitted with both horse blankets and udder covers), and natural (cows without any coverage fitted). The cows were let out to pasture daily between 1000 and 1500h for 4 wk in July and August 2009. Blood samples were collected 15 times during the study and analyzed for content of 25-hydroxyvitamin D(3) [25(OH)D(3)] indicative of the animals’ vitamin D(3) status. Results showed that uncovered cows had a higher 25(OH)D(3) concentration in plasma after 28 d of access to sunlight compared with covered cows and that the plasma concentration of 25(OH)D(3) was strongly inversely correlated to the body surface area covered. These results are consistent with findings in humans, wherein the vitamin D(3) status of different individuals was inversely proportional to the amount of clothing worn during exposure to artificial sunlight. Hence, it appears that human clothing and cow hair are not comparable with respect to prevention of vitamin D(3) synthesis and that cows, like humans, synthesize vitamin D(3) evenly over their body surface. That vitamin D(3) should be synthesized from sebum on the hair and obtained by cows as a result of grooming is not supported by the findings in the present study either, because large differences were found between the treatment groups. If grooming were the source of vitamin D(3), then a relatively even 25(OH)D(3) concentration between treatments would be expected, because covered cows would obtain vitamin D(3) by grooming uncovered herdmates.
my diet(since2001) has no vit.3 exept miniscule amounts from mushrooms and fortified plantmilk(all labels are fortified) wich i rarely use in small amounts for cooking. im a 3shift worker without much sun exposure. tried vit3. three times and always had to quit after a week because it gave me headache and wild depressions. my bones are strong and im still sharp at ravens progressive matrices test. I believe Vit.D is just an unavoidable byproduct of metabolism like uric acid or CO2. why the hell would the body rely on a compound that is produced in the outer layer of the skin and has to be reabsorbed,makes no sense. maybe im wrong and die in ten years but hey i never planned to run around as a ugly fifty year old meatbag. at least i lived independent and my performance easily was comparable to the vit.D saturated individuals.
I don’t want Tryptie to leave.
This is my love song to her.
(This also happens to be one of the sexiest songs you Zoomers will ever hear. Pay attention)
https://youtu.be/nrMwgTc69y4?si=Ph9MuyF9ixRydIVn
I know we both look so good from a distance
But I tell you I’m the one
That everyone thinks of me too
I’m not obligated to stay somewhere if I see nothing worth staying for. I reached out to you on substack btw.
Transl. ”Someone disagreed with me once and I ran away crying.”
Also, try going 3 sentences without saying ”I”.
My grandparents would eat meat once a week, on Sundays after church. But no meat during Lent. And fish on Fridays.
Sounds like a sensible approach to me.
Imagine the enviroment during the ice age(s) in europe. Only in summer little vegetable food was available, some berries, maybe a little weed plants in the river and what was in the bellies of the prey, that was all. The rest was meat. And we survived and even thrived.
Animal products have high energy density. Vegetables have low energy density. Thats why cows and the like have to eat their low energy grass all day long. Its like the madness of “green energy”. Nuclear has the highest energy density, then oil, then coal, then wood and lastly wind and solar. It seems like the woke west is energy vegan. It just doesnt work.
Sure.
My grandparents ate *as much meat as they could afford*.
Which was once a week after mass, more on Christmas and Easter, and none during Lent.
You could argue about what you think saved “us” (who?) in the past, but in the end you can only eat what you can afford.
“Vegetables have low energy density”..says who? you desperately take the dumbest excuse to just not even think about it.
Are you kidding? Put 1000 calories of lettuce on the counter, next to 1000 calories of steak. Hint: the smaller pile is more energy-dense.
Being a retard doesn’t lend credibility to your statements.
take some extra omega3 to cover your neurons with linoleum.lipofuscin is good for you! dont forget the sunbath to speed up the polymerisation and enjoy your godgiven early dementia.
Raw eggs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snqs566G_Zg
this is like watching an accident.. covid laid bare their modus operandi selling you lies as truths backed with thousands of “science”papers from bribed assholes and all you do is waving around with other “Science”papers telling the audience this is good this is bad.amazing..they do this all the time since the very beginning you morons.80 percent of science is fairytale to sell you industrial wasteproducts.the only way to navigate is chemistry knowledge. regarding climate change..if climate changed so hard why do they augment it with chemtrails(artificial cirrus clouds everday)? where i live this started exactly with covid wich was also augmented.how can you not see that?
Very interesting post
(perhaps the quality of posts rises, as their quantity declines, like with most things)
Just a tiny comment about the East (eastern Christianity):
Orthodox people in the North (like Slavs) are not expected to fast like we do in the South. Different climate, different availability of food et.c.
Also, fasting is adapted to everyone’s personal conditions (age, health, job).
Also, it is true that Paul the Apostle advised against creating scandals with one’s behavior (including of course one’s diet).
And, you are right that diet has always been understood by wise people (e.g. Saints) as a way to “show off” (to put it simply), to be different, to look cool et.c. (from both extremes). A high risk of PRIDE was spotted there.
So, Christian asceticism is always trying to be cautious of that.
Last but not least, in the Christian tradition you are expected to be THANKFUL of everything (hence, “eucharist”). You may realize that we live in a world with a lot of pain, but still you are advised to be thankful that the Lord provides you with necessary nutrition to sustain yourself.
[P.S. I am really glad that you fight against the temptation of wanting to be always right, which is pride.. I am struggling with that too! We are not perfect, and it’s OK because our Father doesn’t want us to be perfectionists..]
Thank you. Your willingness to shift your position is commendable and shows a flexible mind. Which I think is a sign of health. I was a vegetarian (mostly) for 25 years. It was for ethical reasons, and I did sometimes eat shrimp and eggs. I started to re-think my diet after reading “The Vegetarian Myth” by Lierre Keith:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth
She reports that her physical and mental health were negatively impacted by her strict veganism and argues for a more local and sustainable type of diet that includes meat. It made a lot of sense to me, and I slowly started introducing beef and chicken back into my diet. That was almost 25 years ago. It’s been a good choice for me. Good luck on your journey. I hope this will help you feel better and more grounded.
Thanks LSWF. I ran into Lierre Keith too, I think she gets it right.
Keep us posted on how you’re recovering, Rin. I look forward to posts from a happier, stronger you with more colour in your cheeks.
Thanks!
I felt that the vegan lifestyle is undertaken by people who want to further improve themselves by having a special experience.
Finally. Just choose animals who were treated well while alive, and start living a happy(ier) life (and let everything else go).
I’ve tried veganisme years ago, for about 4,5 months. I lost one tooth, and I dreamed of a big frying pan with 6 fried eggs, for weeks in a row. I knew then – this shit is not for me.
You can’t change the world. But you surely can contribute more to it if not depressed and miserable (which clearly comes, at least partially, from your poor diet).
So go ahead and just bake those eggs 😉
Tell us what was your first non-vegan item you ate
So far it’s mussels, but I will be eating fish, dairy eggs and perhaps wild game too.
First I want to have my blood tested, then I will have some clue when it comes to what I miss.
Wild game is so legit.
Hopefully some butter and cheese too
I remember reading that poor parts of Southern Italy and Okanawa where they eat a lot of fish, veg and carbs have the highest life expectancy. I’m mostly Pescatarian now.
When I went full vegan my desire for alcohol and drugs went through the fucking roof. I found that caving in and eating a burger drastically reduced my desire to drink. I have depression though.
I do get the impression from previous posts that you were doing mushrooms and other drugs on a weekly basis. They open you up to the supernatural realm which is filled with God knows what. I stick to LSD once a month now for that reason. Too much spooky shit starts to happen if you use psychedelics too regularly, at least for me anyway.
Perhaps Veganism works best for monks and highly dedicated spiritual people. For people like me with too much mental health bullshit it can seriously unravel you as it perhaps weakens the boundary between this world and the supernatural similar to psychedelics.
>When I went full vegan my desire for alcohol and drugs went through the fucking roof.
Yup. I basically need cannabis, alcohol and mushrooms to function somewhat on the vegan diet, which means I’m not genuinely functioning.
I wish you good luck in your new approach. May you feel better soon.
I got 13 chickens that live like queens, they free range on an acre with a fence to keep out dogs and coyotes. They eat organic feed to suplement their bugs and veggies. They give us 8 eggs a day. It’s a beautiful relationship.
Thanks!
I was a vegan once (five years in the late 1970s). I’m now lacto-ovo vegetarian. Once I did the sums I concluded that some mutrients were too low or absent (not just vit. B12).
Pastured eggs seem a good food to complement a plant diet. Ditto sheep’s milk cheeses. Sheep have proved relatively ‘resistant to industrialisation’.
Simon Fairlie’s work is good if you want to know more. He estimates that it’s considerably more efficient to turn inedible grass or food wastes into eggs or dairy than into meat.
Tryptie:
> By the way I literally got serial killer vibes from your statement in another post, that we need a medication to give to cows so that when their calves are taken away they are not upset.
I’m guessing you’re not a fan of David Pearce?
I went through a similar in and out some time ago; I reasoned myself into it with mostly nutritional concerns and back out mostly the same way. I continued to abstain from red meat for some time mostly out of environmental concerns, but I had to admit that even if I were to convince my whole circle to do the same, there likely wouldn’t have been a single less animal slaughtered, or even one born so as to be slaughtered. I couldn’t fault anyone for not wanting to contribute themselves, but there was no denying that it was in vain, and so just as well if I didn’t bother.
I guess I’m lucky that I didn’t have to learn the hard way, but re: our dear Fucko’s comments, I think it’s not unreasonable to say that some things just have to be learned firsthand, through experience, “the hard way.” There’s a decent number of words of advice that I wish I had heeded and some I’ve given to deaf ears, but sometimes that’s really just the way that things go, and I don’t fault myself or those others, at least for some of them. We use the word “realize” to mean “come to knowledge/awareness of,” but stop and think of what that word really is: REALize. To make REAL—not just known in some abstract manner, but REAL. In other words, attaining knowledge is an active process but realization is generally passive; you don’t realize something, something is realized for you, frequently via personal experience.
Oh yeah, and of course what I meant to say in the first place: big time props to you for having the stones and the principle to reevaluate something like this that has been important and set in stone for you for so long, not to mention that had kind of become part of your “brand” (holy cow, 126 comments? you’ve really blown up since the r/accountt1234 days). It’s an admirable quality that you’ve displayed a number of times and it’s impressive that you continue to do so even approaching the age at which people tend to become much less wont to do so.
Great, I’m glad to hear you are becoming omnivorous again. This is the way to go.
Dear Radagast,
my honest and well-meant congratulations to your decision! It takes guts and courage to do such a thing and be open about it – so I congratulate you for it.
Maybe you’ll also notice in time, that it is better to one’s mental health, to be kind and compassionate instead of condemning others by calling them names (low-status-white-males etc.). As a wise man once said: Judge not, in order for not being judged.
But anyhow – it was a great decision by you, I did a similar one – well, not really similar – but I was a vegetarian for four years out of similar reasons like you – and once I started eating meat again, I just felt better – mentally as well as physically. Maybe there will come a time again in the future, where I feel that it would be better to become a vegetarian again – nothing is written in stone – but I guess the best thing is to be true to oneself and finding one’s own truth – which is the way to freedom in my experience.
You certainly have given many people hope in the dark times of the Corona Madness Radagast – so I wish you that it may stay this way with other topics too. Certainly you have done something similar with your post regarding your decision – kudos!
Best regards
Erik
Congrats! It is noble to love and care for animals. But we need to eat high quality animal products. I found that out, too, after trying vegan. I am sure you will not be wasteful and will appreciate the sacrifice the animals make. It is all good karma.
So glad to hear you are going to start eating animal products. I and my husband hope you feel better very soon. To spare you further suffering, I’m going add …
1) seed oils cause depression and psychiatric problems, including hostility and aggression. The suspected mechanism is that they cause brain inflammation and the inflammation causes the depression etc. Removing seed oils from my diet was essential to me feeling better. Seed oils include corn oil, soy oil, etc, pretty much anything that requires industrial processing to extract and was therefore not part of human diets prior to the industrial revolution. Seed oils don’t include coconut oil or olive oil due to a difference in fatty acid composition.
2) An excellent source to learn about the need for animal products in our diets and the many ways different human societies have filled that need is to read the works of Weston A. Price, and you can get started at http://www.westonaprice.org/
3) Taking fish oil or cod liver oil is a satisfactory substitute for some people but not for others. I do ok. My husband needs to eat kippers. He likes them. I hope you do too. They are good with mustard on a sourdough cracker. He gets the ones packed in water. He doesn’t like the ones packed in oil. The real fish seems essential for Northern Europeans, mainly genotypes that were historically coastal and their ancestors ate a lot of fish.
4) Iodine is not a poison as the modern medical folks would have you believe. It’s an essential nutrient and most modern folks are badly deficient. It is essential for proper brain functioning and has many beneficial functions. Correcting the iodine deficiency was essential for me and my husband. This is a great starting resource https://www.drbrownstein.com/shop/p/iodine-why-you-need-it-why-you-cant-live-without-it. Iodine deficiency leads to bromine toxicity, and removing the bromine is tricky, unpleasant and potentially dangerous if done too quickly. In short, if you take too much iodine at once, and eject too much bromine from the iodine receptors, you will make yourself really sick. Detoxing bromine must be done carefully and gradually with a method to excrete the bromine promptly. You can start reading about the detox here https://jeffreydachmd.com/2014/03/iodine-bromine-detox-unrefined-salt-jeffrey-dach-md/
Many comments in this blog post mention ethically farmed animal products. I wholeheartedly agree. Domestic animals can live happy lives before they die. That would be a great deal better than what most humans get. Regenerative farming seeks to provide animals with environments that suit their natures and so creates happy animals. And whenever we eat, we eat the life of another, be they plant or animal. This is why we give thanks. You may thank whomever you like: God, the animal, both. As you wish. The animal has given us something essential for us, and we are grateful for that gift. One day we will be food for the worms and the plants. When we are grateful for the gift of food, it helps us accept our temporary mortal place in the world.
Thanks for the nice words and the advice. I very much appreciate it.
There is a golden mean between wanton terror toward animals and being like the Buddha in the Jataka tale I mentioned before where he allows himself to be devoured alive for the sake of a tigress and her cubs. You have helped me, through your writing, to lessen my harm to the living kingdom of God, his creatures. I haven’t abandoned the ideal of vegetarianism, thanks to discovering you after having read too much Savitri Devi.
Having said that, to be harmless, Ahimsa, is the ideal of the truly spiritual man. You have to eat this truth over the whole of your life. It’s not merely about being free of meat in your physical body. It means to be so harmless that no being could ever fear you, to be a living, breathing manifestation of God’s love to every creature whom you meet. This is something which is ultimately inward, and it radiates outward with a power mightier than the atom bomb.
Be well, Radagast the wizard. You are in my prayers.
AUM MANI PADME HUM