So I found this interesting. It’s a long list of companies, municipalities and other organizations that had net zero goals, but backpedaled in 2025. The most notorious example of backpedaling this year of course is how the EU decided 10% of cars manufactured in the EU after 2035 can now have a combustion engine again.
It seems somewhat straightforward, to say what’s going to happen: Very slow decarbonization. Europe wants to decarbonize, but most of the world just isn’t going along, so it places Europe at a competitive disadvantage. The European steel industry is now starting to collapse, because they simply can’t compete with the rest of the world due to high energy prices. It’s a prisoner’s dilemma situation. Europe is choosing to cooperate, but most of the world is choosing to defect.
But the big problem is that we simply don’t have the natural resources to pursue the renewable energy transition at the speed required. UN Trade and Development is warning that a looming global shortage in copper is going to slow down the global transition. Copper mines would have been a great investment, if you bought them half a year ago.
Electricity prices now look like this:
It’s obvious what happens. Heavy industry moves from Europe to countries like Indonesia and India that burn lots of coal. In the Netherlands, industry isn’t even allowed to connect to the grid, because the grid can’t handle it, we have a long waiting list. But don’t get me wrong. Europe doesn’t have much of a choice. We were first to industrialize, so we were first to burn through our cheap coal. Coal production in the UK peaked in 1914.
There’s this free game I sometimes play, called World at the Crossroads. It’s an interesting simulation of our predicament. What tends to happen in the game is that if you wait too long with the energy transition, eventually your economy begins to collapse. This then requires you to keep the lights on at low cost. So whereas you were at first decarbonizing your economy, eventually you find yourself forced to start using fossil fuels again, simply because they’re cheaper than trying to use batteries to store electricity from solar panels in Germany in December. After all, your renewable infrastructure has to be renewed every 20 years or so.
I don’t think fossil fuels are going away. Solar and wind look more affordable, as long as you don’t have to think about how you’re going to store the electricity. Fossil fuels in contrast, are their own storage system. As long as people can’t cooperate to shut down economic growth and implement a global carbon tax, we’re stuck pursuing the maximum power principle, which means we’re stuck burning fossil fuels, at least during part of the year. And when you’re stuck burning fossil fuels during part of the year anyway, you’ll need the infrastructure for fossil fuels, which in turn means your cheapest option becomes just using them throughout the year.
Even with net zero – we are still all going to die.
Net Zero is fake and gay.
If you belive into the Afterlife and into the Bible, then why do you care about the state of this world?
It’s all Gods plan and everything happens like it should. Your trust into God can’t be that big.
Because without the environment to sustain us there is no you, no religion and no God.
Do you really think we could act outside of Gods will?
If God wants to save the world, he will do.
If God wants to destroy the world, he will do.
If you think it’s us who decides this, then you have no God.
Similar to what Cyber said. My conception of God is perhaps more pagan than yours. I’m not sure your logic here – do u suggest we just do nothing as how do we fathom God’s will?
I was fortunate enough to be able to appreciate the stillness of nature from a young age when my imagination was still very raw and impressionable. For that reason nature will always give me more than any church ever could, that’s why i can’t stand seeing it destroyed – it’s intrinsically tied up with my conception of God/the universe or whatever you want to call it.
Quote Rob: “Do u suggest we just do nothing as how do we fathom God’s will?”
Not really. But there is this unsolvable problem of free will and Gods will, because they collide. Both can’t be true (again similar to the wave-particle-dualism where we have a schizophrenic situation, too).
So you have no other choice than sacrifice one of them. Your free will or Gods will.
The universe certainly does not follow a process that this particular human being understands.
Logically, there is no free will as all events in the universe we inhabit follow cause and effect, which leaves no room for free will as everything is determined by causal factors that precede them.
Furthermore, the covid shot campaign in my city, which achieved almost total compliance with nothing more than psychological pressure, demonstrates that if free will does exist (which it logically shouldn’t due to cause and effect blah, blah, blah) then it is a weaker force than psychological pressure.
And so that is where I am at: it shouldn’t exist, and even if it does it is very weak.
With one big caveat, which is that if free will does exist then it must come from an acausal source. This is not impossible to my mind, as the whole universe appears to have been created by God, so there is a massive precedent.
And with God even the existence of a strong and free will seems possible, even if it is logically impossible.
Logically impossible things beyond my comprehension happen all the time.
Like, the whole of the universe really.
Quote Cyber Viking: “… but God did not desire to make us robots obviously.”
To have no free will does not mean to be like a robot. Many religious poeple think that we are here to make decisions, which can be right or wrong. And for this you need free will.
But I can also say we are not here to make decisions, but make experiences. Do we need a free will for making the experiences God wants us to experience? No.
By this way God can teach us without degrading us to robots.
Don’t you love the gall of a Life-hating denialist speaking on behalf of ‘God’. How does it know that it is God-because, when it prays, it has discovered that it is speaking to itself.
Happy New Year to all fellow LSWMs:
https://youtu.be/NSgHGFuPNus?si=0P-9bWAL5y2P5312
Happy New Year to everyone!
I’m actually having an intuition that 2026 might be The Year (at least for me). I feel a stirring within me I haven’t felt before. Subterranean tectonic plates moving slowly.
Im not hoping for or expecting grandiosity. I just get the sense my baseline of anhedonic “meh” will grow through capillary action towards something more than “it’s hopeless”
Maybe or maybe not. I’ve often thought of myself as congenitally pessimistic. The beautiful/sexy/feminine Borderline love of my youth (whom I’ve beaten you all over the head with) used to nickname me “Eeyore” (from Winnie the Pooh). She actually used to read me Pooh stories in bed to go to sleep after we had fucked and were laying in bed.
I hope for something similar for all of my brethren here.
https://youtu.be/CQI0E1WCLMU?feature=shared
That sounds like congratulations are in order.
So, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
And happy new year to you and all.
🙂
Europe has basically run out of resources and energy. The gambit with Ukraine was an attempt to strip Russia of it’s resources. The climate change narrative/net zero is a cover story for energy/growth collapse.
Open systems are either growing or collapsing – there is no stasis. According to Tim Garrett the key metric of growth for industrial civilization is the rate of change (differential) of global energy consumption. This is in decline. The low hanging fruit is gone. The Energy cost of energy is skyrocketing across every metric.
It’s a predicament. Without growth you have financial collapse which means you’re no longer getting oil out of the ground.
Let’s just say the fasten your seatbelt signs have lit up.
And with unbounded, perpetual, growth you have CANCER, and we are in the capitalist cancer’s end-stage.
If you want enough energy for 8 billion people, you should have started building out nuclear reactors 20 years ago. It takes that long to get them permitted and built, so at minimum there will be no solution for the next 20 years. When you burn coal, the thorium in it is just thrown away. Thorium reactors were designed in the 60s BTW. This would have been a nice way to do it without even more pollution-causing mine operations.
Solar and wind will never work. Anybody who thinks that is net zero needs to look into how they’re made and how they’re disposed of once used up. Plus you still need to keep the baseload plants ready to product power on a moment’s notice when the sun/wind don’t cooperate. Which is why the cost is so high.
Problems are never solved because gov’t is full of the dumbest of the dumb, and getting dumber every day.
The Chinese recently accomplished this technological break through. Thorium is five times more abundant than uranium.
Europe is a spent force, a dead-end civilization.
I don´t want Congo and Sudan to have nuclear reactors, I don´t think that´s going to end well.
Sure it will. Nigras can’t handle that kind of tech. It melts down, six gorillion nigras die, and when we send them all back to africa we will be content knowing they’ll never come back.
> Nigras can’t handle that kind of tech.
“You’re Sicilian, huh?”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tsIEAipTNbE
Congo and Sudan are getting solar (and wind) thanks to China. Congo has vast hydro potential, too.
China puts the lie to your gibberish. More and ever more solar, wind, hydro, and nuclear. More storage. Just the workings of a rational regime without denialist morons allowed anywhere near power.
It was clear to me, about thirteen years ago now, that there was no way that we would turn things around on climate. Around then I secured a job with a government propaganda unit on the basis of a speech I wrote in which I argued that civilization had a massive consumption problem – I termed this an ‘overconsumption spider’ and explained that it had all of these legs that were closing in on us (including climate change), and that the government had an important role to play as only it had the reach and resources to do anything about it. After landing the gig, it took me about three months or so to realize that neither mine nor any other government in the world was going to do anything, so we were/are all fucked. And that was the first time I left Babylon to withdraw to the metaphorical wilderness. The lesson for aspiring crusaders being that you cannot change this issue from within the system – same goes for other issues that are similarly vexed: indigenous disadvantage, inequality, etc. The system cannot solve the problems that it creates. These problems are all necessary “pollution” from the engine that drives… Read more »
@Wombat- it would be interesting to know more about the overconsumption spider. Is it written about anywhere?
The spider was just a metaphor for the over consumption issue. Full disclosure: I am merely one of countless ‘little people’ who beaver away ‘below the line’ who pass away unremarked. That speech wasn’t published anywhere, it was just an exercise for the selection process, nor would anything like ever get published by the government for reasons that I will explain. For that exercise, they gave me a brief window to come up with something, so I gave them where I’d landed after being exposed through policy work to various ecological issues and thinking about the impossibility of infinite economic growth in a finite system. The executives who interviewed me could grok the truth in that, and it impressed them enough to hire me, but they didn’t (and let’s face it, probably couldn’t) do anything with those ideas, Nowadays, I’d be just as happy to call the crisis we’re in ‘ecological overshoot’: Ecologist William Rees: “On Our Present Trajectory, We WILL Crash, And It Won’t Be Pleasant” Someone else might call this the ‘poly crisis’, or whatever other words explain how multiple issues are inexorably vectoring in on an ‘Omega Point’. I am going ancient mariner now, thousand-yard stare in… Read more »
From my technical view it’s those crazy big container ships, which allow to export our jobs to China, India or wherever. Those crazy big container ships make distances pointless! I can order cheap stuff from amazon which will be sent to me with one of those crazy big container ships. Isn’t that crazy?
Happy New Year to Rintrah and all!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsUHS-yGynA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTJQiGRQS8Q&list=TLPQMzExMjIwMjWqTwmA4CcAYA&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYtVf0wvPpc
My roots are European!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA9ExaxrJck
Keep the party goinf!
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Happy New Year to all fellow LSWMs:
https://youtu.be/NSgHGFuPNus?si=0P-9bWAL5y2P5312
China puts the lie to the West’s recidivism. But China has a sane, meritocratic, regime, not the corrupt moronocracy of the West, bought and paid for by rich ‘donors’ who prefer profit maximisation today to the lives of their descendants.
And Europe is full of energy. We have coal for the next 1000 years, if you are willing to use it. You can also make fuel for cars from it, very cheap. They did in in WWII, so we can do it also today, even better. But there’s is no will to do it, and that’s very insane.
Coal is the best energy source we have. Make some filters, then you have really clean energy at low cost for all.
But, anyway, I think all the fat hairless boomers with glasses and diabetes must first die of hunger in pain, so it’s good in the end that we don’t use it (yet).
Ho, ho! A suicidal creature (lizard?) who wants to die in a climate destabilisation apocalypse. The cosmos won’t miss this type.
Decarbonization was the greatest mistake, espacially from german government, the greens. Germanys industry will collapse next year (2026) on big scale. Mass unemployment will follow. And I really like it. I was a prophet the last 10 years or so. That’s total BS what they did. Most germans will be poor in the year 2030, but then it is too late to change something. You simply cannot run an industrialized country by windmills, that’s technology of the middle ages or solar panels. This is completely insane. My advise to Mr. Merz would be: kill that CO2-taxes, toss them in the trash, simply forbid all that NGOs, those people there are really stupid. I mean really stupid, I know some of them. They are not scientists, they are believers, they rather should go in some monastery instead giving advise to politicians. But I think it’s far too late for Germany. But I’m fine with that. In the next few years all the parasites will leave the host animal when it becomes weak. All old and ill people must die. There will be simply no money for such humans anymore. There will be a great cleanup when most people will feel poverty,… Read more »
You wrote months ago that you are too sick and weak and old to fight in the Ukraine war, despite your love of war and your hopes that there will be more war between Ukraine and Russia (and you spend your time warmongering and chicken-hawking instead). So apparently you will be part of the human cleanup that you so avidly seek. I guess your hatred is stronger than your ability to reason.
Your posts are a glimpse into Satan’s mind. Satan, too, was too filled with ego and hate to be rational.
But you can repent, and turn to Christ and to care about and help others. It is possible to think that there will be very hard times, but to think that is a bad thing and to plan to help as much as possible. That is letting Christ work through oneself.
This type of denialist psychopath thinks that it can survive if enough ‘useless eaters’ are wiped out. It’s the inevitable end-stage of denialist Life-hatred, as the global climate rapidly destabilises.