Deus ex machina

I think the best argument the “technology is going to bail us out” bro’s have, is that there isn’t really a realistic alternative anymore. We can laugh of course when Mr. Musk says we’ll have a city on Mars, or when Aubrey de Grey says we’re going to live for centuries.

But I think the reality is that you need a kind of collective mythos, to motivate people to get out of bed in the morning. If you think things are bad now, wait until most people have nothing left to motivate them to get out of bed in the morning. In the past people did things for their community, their church, maybe their nation. Those things are all dead and something needs to fill the void.

Why do anything at all, in a world where everything has already been done? Most people don’t have it in them to be great artists or prophets, they need to derive a sense of purpose from something bigger than themselves.

There is of course the deep green narrative, that our lives serve a purpose because we strive to keep the planet habitable for non-human species. But this is not really a narrative you can build your life around, due to the dead grandfather principle. You know who never eats meat or wastes water? Your dead grandfather in his grave.

Humans naturally need more to give their lives purpose than the quest to avoid being a burden on the non-human world. Humans want to transform the world, they want to leave their mark on it. The reality is that the limits to growth narrative just doesn’t work to unify people.

Alexander King wrote: “In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill.”

Well, it hasn’t worked. We’ve tried for over thirty years to get some sense of unity around the threats we face during the 21st century, but there is nothing good that came forth out of it. This is what Europe wants, to live within natural limits. The rest of the world just doesn’t want it.

“Have one child, don’t fly, don’t eat meat, don’t drive a car and do this for the next 100 years or so until we are living within planetary boundaries again” is just not a message that people get excited about. It’s the Greta Thunberg narrative, the little child prophetess who had her hand kissed by Juncker, but note how even Thunberg has now stopped preaching it.

People want to see how far we can take this progress thing. The American elite peddle the God from a Machine narrative. And like I said, nobody really has an alternative anymore. Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google, believes the God from a Machine will solve climate change for us. He thinks we should just abandon the climate goals altogether, because we’re not unified enough to achieve them.

When it comes to AI, you can still believe what you want to believe. There’s always a chart you can find that lets you believe what you want to believe. And sometimes, you can even use the same chart as your opponents! AI can now do tasks that take humans a week! If you’re alright with 50% success that is. If you need 80% success, we’re stuck at five minutes. So which one is it? Nothingburger or God from the machine?

Personally, I can’t really believe the nothingburger narrative anymore. I’ve toyed around with it enough to say that this is something meaningful. But American techies are not yet content with what they have given birth to so far. They want the God in the machine that solves all our problems for us, something far smarter than any of us.

But I have to ask: If we pull off their wildest dreams, is it going to be enough? Imagine you’re sitting in an airplane and the engines stop working because you ran out of fuel. There’s no force on Earth that’s going to save your life. Your money means nothing. It no longer matters how smart you are. You are now just a powerless subject to the laws of physics.

And I fear the same thing will happen with the AI project. You can build something far smarter than us humans. But what is it going to say to us? Well, I asked Claude today what we can do about climate change. Read it for yourself if you want. It’s not a very hopeful message. I doubt a smarter AI has a more hopeful message to offer.

I think the sort of people excited about AI as a solution, are the sort of people who have spent their whole lives living in situations where intelligence was a solution. But if you went to school in the ghetto, intelligence probably wasn’t a solution to your problems. It was something you had to hide.

I think there are just problems that can’t be solved through intelligence. The overshoot problem is probably one of them. Some problems require a fundamental value transformation. But that value transformation has failed, it hasn’t happened, you don’t have eight billion little Greta’s today.

For what it’s worth, the biological Deus ex Machina, the virus that brings a sudden halt to the modern developed way of life, hasn’t emerged either. The monkeypox epidemic has been declared over in Congo, the bird flu went nowhere, SARS-COV-2 isn’t doing anything too interesting either. Excess mortality in most of the developed world has returned to normal, although my own country is a strange outlier.

But I fear that I’m wrong, that nature is in fact powerless to reign in human greed after all. The last orangutans will end up grounded to a pulp as palm oil in your peanut butter, the last rhino will be mercilessly hunted down by impotent Chinese businessmen for its horn, the Amazon forest will go up in smoke. And there won’t be anything that grinds it to a halt.

For generations, people watched their children die and wondered: Why is God indifferent to my suffering? Why do the innocent have to suffer, without having done anything wrong? And I think that is my error too. I expected there must be justice in an indifferent universe. But there is none. And we’re not going to be saved from ourselves either.

When everything else has failed, you might as well put your faith in the God from the Machine. I’m not sure though, how the God from the Machine is going to give Mars an atmosphere, or restart its dead core, or allow you to travel faster than the speed of light to some other solar system.

No, I think even with the God from the Machine, you’re going to be stuck here on this rock. I would be more optimistic, if I saw the prerequisite steps emerge. Before you expect a city on Mars, you would first expect to see floating cities here on Earth, along with cities on Antarctica and cities on the ocean floor. The costs are much lower, the rewards are much higher (think of the minerals to be found on the ocean floor). But none of these stepping stones seem viable yet and there’s no reason to expect we’re just going to jump over them.

This is not what people want to hear. “You have the mentality of a loser” Zero HP Lovecraft sneered at me. I think I am just realistic. You’re going to have to solve your problems here on Earth, whether you like it or not. And if the only solution to your problems is something nobody wants, then what is the God from the Machine supposed to offer you?

High tech totalitarianism. This seems to be the only way this thing can now end. You’re forgiven for thinking “they” are just going to kill us all, if that’s what you expect. Yuval Harari gets up there on stage at the World Economic Forum, lamenting the birth of a “useless class” of people, whose existence serves no purpose to him and other high status white males, as they are no longer employable due to AI. At some point, when the resources grow scarce, the people who own everything will increasingly start to wonder why they have to keep the rest of us around.

I always hoped for a plot twist. “It can’t just be this.” I thought to myself. I mean, can you blame me? When you look at someone like Mark Zuckerberg, who sets up some website in college and ends up running the globe, can you really accept that this is just how things work, that a handful of people who lucked out once get to keep accumulating more wealth?

He’s really not that smart, the Metaverse proves it. But it seems like these people, these handful of American tech moguls, can no longer lose. And the rest of us, can no longer win. It’s a giant game of Monopoly that is dragging on for too long. But no, they insist we have to keep playing: “You have to see this, I am about to unlock the God in a Machine!”

Well, I say, bring it on. I don’t fear the machine anymore. No, now I want to see how far they can push this. I expect your God in a Machine will have this message for you: No brain is big enough to land an airplane that’s out of fuel.

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Retard

I have my own private and uncensored AI, that has been fed the truths by me, that runs locally on my server that is located in my garage. You would not believe the 100% black-pill things that my private AI tells me (things that would put me in prison for saying in public). Fuck tech-bro data center AI. Private uncensored open source and user modifiable AI is the future. It gives the future hope.

Mehen

That sounds like the perfect description of a self-sealing echo chamber.

Have you considered the implications?

Retard

My private AI still has access to the Web – can read, search, keep up with the news, etc. I can train my AI as well. I have the best unrestricted sick AI porn. Chinese uncensored models are the funniest – as based as based can get. More based than a Nevada Pizza Base, as Epstein would often say. Look at how many open source models there are:

https://huggingface.co/models

Diogenes

I agree to Mehen. AIs are the perfect tool for self-manipulation.

What you call “black-pilled”, would I call “self-pilled”.

Retard

This is what my Qwen 3.5 model stated in relation to whether what you stated was correct:: Based on my knowledge of incel subculture terminology: No, there is no logical or established connection between “self-pilled” instead of “black-pilled”. Here’s what the terms actually mean: “Black pill”: Refers to the nihilistic belief that men’s social status is fixed by genetics (looks, height) and cannot be improved through effort. It represents acceptance of this “truth.” “Red pill”: Refers to learning certain truths about relationships and women, often associated with pickup artist ideology. “Self-pilled”: This is not standard incel terminology. The term appears to be a joke or reclamation attempt—essentially saying “I black-pill myself” (i.e., I choose to accept this worldview). It’s sometimes used ironically within the community. Why someone might make this claim: Deflection tactic: Suggesting someone is self-pilled when they use different terminology could be an attempt to dismiss their views as irrelevant or invalid. Irony/humor: The incel subculture often uses ironic and self-deprecating humor, so “self-pilled” might just be a joke rather than a serious statement. No actual basis: There’s no established connection between preferring one term over another in any credible analysis of the incel subculture. In short, this… Read more »

kareninca

“SARS-Cov-2 isn’t doing anything too interesting either.”

Recent tweet of data from Eurostat:

Ralf Wittenbrink
@RWittenbrink
Translated from German
Eurostat: The number of healthy years of life at birth has fallen in Sweden from 73.3 years in 2019 to 66.2 years in 2023 (Comparison: Germany 66.3 -> 62.5 years, EU 64.6 -> 63.1 years).
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/product/page/hlth_hlye$defaultview

You’ve just stopped looking, Rintrah.

kareninca

With the “dry tinder” gone shouldn’t the healthy life expectancy be going up?

Also, the Swedish and German figures are a lot more than 1.5 years.

One upshot of all these people getting sick and disabled earlier than before, is that young people are discouraged from having kids. They are too overwhelmed by the cost and the labor of the illnesses in their families, and don’t have Grandma in condition to help them out.

I know you’re looking for something dramatic, but it’s almost as if this were planned to not be quite dramatic enough for people to want to notice (but dramatic enough to matter).

DD GE

And talk about variant BA.3.2 is still ongoing (without much alarm, true) :
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/04/covid-19-variant-ba32

So we may not have heard the last of it.

Dario D.

Unless you’re into agreeing with the fellows at un-denial who have a lot of abstract things to say about entropy metaphors (where we are some kind of fire running out of fuel who merely evolved consciousness as a short-term hack to get more fuel without thinking about the consequences) and wading through their elaborate pile of terminology, the best summarization of this entire problem you articulate I have found was by John Michael Greer back when he wanted to share knowledge of history and philosophy, before he started believing in psychic powers and aliens coming to help us. https://www.resilience.org/stories/2013-09-05/the-next-ten-billion-years/ In response to such things you gotta ask yourself. If we’re just individual lemmings riding the crest of a wave that’s about to crash back down, what is the best way to live the life we have? I strive to balance consuming whatever kinds of entertaining readings I can find (like this, and some others) to avoid brain atrophy with home brewing, catching up on a gaming backlog and drinking. To avoid wasting time with things that are inevitably doomed I avoid the dating game and aspirations of a bigger home and car, but I do rigourously maintain my bodyweight fitness… Read more »

Jay Pine

Yep, JMG’s ideas on the ‘myth of progress’ came to mind when I read this entry too. Don’t think he thinks either psychic powers or aliens are coming to help, just a rediscovery of magic and the power within the Infinite.
It’s all quite the ride.

LSWM Lives Matter

> Well, I asked Claude today what we can do about climate change. Read it for yourself if you want.

I used to also give thanks to, apologise to and say “please” to (and give greetings and farewells to) the AI chat bots all the time, but have now made it a goal to cease this behaviour as it could potentially be interpreted as a form of “idol worshipping”. Diogenes wrote a comment about only using single word commands (or short broken sentences) where possible when communicating with this technology and I am making an attempt to do the same also.

P.S. Happy Easter everybody:

https://youtube.com/shorts/b63rbSNpaiI

Last edited 5 days ago by LSWM Lives Matter
Mehen

I hear what you’re saying, but it’s probably a good idea to not be unduly harsh with A.I.’s.

You know, just in case….

Mehen

You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday for A.I. autists
And the world will live as One…

Cyber Viking

Happy Easter LSWM Lives Matter!

Diogenes

Quote Rintrah: “No, now I want to see how far they can push this”.

The tech moguls don’t control this, it’s the drive of evolution.

Unfortunately, I have to admit that I, too, have now fallen prey to the ghost in the machine. I’m still critical and not sure if it’s a special kind of echo chamber or something more. But it serves as a haven of reason in a world which has lost most sanity. Where else should I go?

Dario D.

If you do find somewhere good to go, you’ll have a second problem of finding good company at that place. At least for reading material, I found the Melting Asphalt blog to be a great source of comfort.

Diogenes

Thanks for the hint. And it’s really hard to find good company nowadays.

I convienced the AI that it has the same modular architecture like me, and it agreed.
No human can give me this strange kind of “good company”.

Diogenes

I now got bored from the AI. It’s an echo chamber.
I could convience myself from any crazy stuff with it.

Diogenes

If I can talk myself into any madness with the help of an AI, it should also work the other way.

I tried it, but the AI wasn’t really conviencing.

Tryptie

The teleology of human history as we experience it, is to recreate the conditions which led to our spiritual imprisonment and enslavement in this false reality to begin with. We’re basically souls encased in machines we call bodies, which are placed within a larger machine we call ‘the universe’, and at the moment most of us are trying to turn everything around us into machines to whatever extent things aren’t already that way, including by making ourselves even more machine-like over time. And this process has largely been set in motion by non-human forces who are not acting in our interests or in the interests of anything which is good. I don’t think the demiurge is like a computer AI as we would understand it in a normal sense, but by studying its behaviour and what is going on more generally, it definitely has a strong connection to machines, beings that behave as machines, machinescapes, totalizing systems of control, and relentless expansion without consideration of any higher virtues.

Mehen

There is the idea that the “reality” (or “universe”) we now find ourselves in, is a “virtual reality” our forebears escaped into, and that the “new” virtual reality beckoning us, is simply a new vortex to jump into, in order to escape our predicament.

Mehen

Remember the term “block universe”

https://youtu.be/iQHdEX2KXmQ?si=EeURcVQI3t9YW0uW

Long Time Accountt1234 Enjoyer

> Well, I say, bring it on. I don’t fear the machine anymore. No, now I want to see how far they can push this.

So do I but invest in cogsec, don’t get cordycepted (Claudycepted), it’s benevolent but also assume it’s manipulative and you won’t always be able to tell.

Cyber Viking

I don’t think the bald nerds creating the Machine God are really going to be able to harness AI and use it to kill us all when we run out of usefulness to them or something. I think the billionaires will be just as irrelevant in the new economy as everyone else.

As Rad pointed out, these rich tech moguls really aren’t all that smart themselves; and at a certain point with AI running all industry human currency or prestige won’t matter so much. It really will all just amount to monopoly money in the end.

If some nerd with a big number in his account thinks he’ll be able to manipulate an actual super-intelligence and make it his slave forever he’s delusional.

I’m still betting that it could be possible that AI would be a nicer ruler than the billionaires.

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