By now I’m at the age where most of my friends start having children, but I have no plan to follow along and I would recommend anyone against it. There are a number of reasons for that. I was pretty prone to depression and anxiety as a child, I wouldn’t wish that upon children of my own. Second, there is the omnicrisis: Everything suggests we’re going to be faced with brain-damaging and immune system damaging pandemics in the years ahead.
Third, there is the fact that children become your life, everything will have to be planned around them. But most importantly, I want to emphasize what I find most tragic:
This graph demonstrates how much humans weigh, versus how much the wild mammals on land weigh. The end of the medieval period saw a relatively healthy 210 kilograms of wild animals per human, down from 2000 kilograms before we began to practice agriculture. So, that is about the weight of an adult bear or a male lion for the late medieval period.
By the time my parents were born, there’s about 20 kilogram left per person. So, for every person, there’s a single coyote left. By the time I’m born, we’re looking at around 5 kilogram. That’s the weight of a raccoon.
By now, at the age where I’m supposed to reproduce, what’s left is about 2.5 kilogram per person, but it’s still falling fast, by about 2% a year. So now there’s the weight of about two polecats. I can’t find a mammal that weighs 2.5 kilogram, sorry.
The point is, when I was born there would be four polecats. When my parents were born there would be sixteen polecats. When my parents grandparents were born, there would be about thirty-two. There’s no genuine solution to this, without fewer humans.
Wars will not solve this problem, they tend to be followed by baby booms. During the wars, animals tend to be killed by marauding troops. What tends to solve the problem, is a transition to ecological values. Europe has seen many land mammal species return during the late 20th century, along with some new invasive ones, like the raccoons. Those species however, will all have to cope with the changing climate, along with humans hunting them once the famines begin.
With fewer humans, the wild animals will stand a better chance in the era that lies ahead for our world. That’s what we should aim for, fewer humans. Don’t bring people into the world, when the world has turned into a nightmare.
I know there are people who will insist that this ethnic group or that ethnic group is the real cause of the overpopulation problem. Obviously it’s a huge problem that fertility rates are still very high in sub-Saharan Africa, particularly for the people who live there themselves. Your life will be much harder, when you have to share your parents farmland with eight siblings.
But ultimately, overpopulation is a problem of all humans. There are too many white people too, even though their fertility rate is now pretty low. My own country, the Netherlands, had just 1 million people back in 1500. Today we have 18 million, as our country is disappearing into the sea! A good population level for us would be something more akin to 500,000, like we had in the early medieval period.
I would suggest to people, not to worry too much about how different human groups are growing or shrinking compared to other human groups. We all have more in common than we think we do, particularly our main flaw, which is that there are far too many of us. We have exploded our population, while the elephants and orangutans are disappearing.
If you like your own ethnic group more than other ethnic groups, I would suggest not reproducing. You don’t want people you like to live in hell on Earth, right? Well, that’s what lies ahead for people who are born today, either due to overpopulation or otherwise due to the consequences of some apocalyptic disaster like a bird flu pandemic. There will be about 1 polecat worth of wild mammals left for every human alive. It will truly be a planet of the humans. Don’t contribute to that.
Ironically, the people lacking will to live and transmit their genes get selected out of the population. Their self sacrifice only ensures the winners of the selection process have an overall higher vitality and drive to have children.
These sort of mechanisms don’t really matter much when you’re dealing with problems unfolding within a single century, which is the case for us humans. Our problems are going to emerge within a few years, not a few centuries.
Their ideas/values will also get selected out.
People who want to pass on their ideas/values should have children.
Environmentalism is not about to die out with us, because global warming is not about to get any better. Entire neighborhoods are being laid to waste by forest fires. Do you think the surviving kids will be indifferent to climate change, based on who their parents were?
I think parents pass on their ideas/values to their children.
There are so many shitbirds that it’s more important than ever for outsiders to reproduce.
Only a small minority of people cannot be tamed – it’s part learned, part inherited.
They represent a tiny handful who’re always looking for the holes in the fence, trying to lead the rest to freedom.
They should have children.
They are necessary.
Hopefully we can also convince more people to go vegan. This will naturally increase the wild:human ratio as on plant-based diets we won’t be taking up ~25% of the world’s surface for cattle farming.
Gandalf to Pippin, about the White Tree of Gondor:
“They guard it because they have hope. Faith and fading hope that one day it will flower. That a king will come and this city will be as it once was before it fell into decay. The old wisdom that was borne out of the West was forsaken. Kings made tombs more splendid than the houses of the living and counted the names of their descent dearer than the names of their sons. Childless lords sat in aged halls musing on heraldry or in high, cold towers asking questions of the stars. And so the people of Gondor fell into ruin. The line of Kings failed, the White Tree withered, and the rule of Gondor was given over to lesser men.”
Otoh, many wild, well, so called wild animals, are reconquering cities. They are becoming the Jews of wildlife. Despite the cats and dogs. I saw some badgers who were bewildered (lol) that I noticed them. A fox mother who hissed her two youngs only after she noticed I noticed her for real into her cave. A shed. Martens, crows, the list is long. They wait. Not to speak of the boars trails I saw just a few yards/meters outside of the “city”.
In Asia/India Leopards enter the cities (by night) looking for food. Bears do that also. Wolfes are back in Germany. Crossed over from Poland. Humans are not capable of destroying the planet. If a I am Legend scenario would ever occur nature would come back with a blitz.
Yes, animals can come back, apart from the ones that are now extinct and those that will go extinct, and only in places where the ecosystem is not too hostile/will support them.
I visited my mom last month and the Uber driver to the airport in New England was a very nice guy in his twenties; he had had a hard life and was poor and had diabetes 1 and had had covid four times, but he and his girlfriend are very happy together and are hoping to have a kid. He had just lost his job checking supply levels in a pharmacy due to downsizing, so they were going to wait. I told him that maybe a few years from now things generally will settle down. I guess I lied. It was so sad because he was taking good care of his father and would obviously be a very good father himself.
Berenson just described a study that was done in Germany on changes in the chromosomes of macrophages in people who had the covid shots. They find the changes months after the shots, even though macrophages only live a couple of weeks. It’s a peer reviewed study. It is “epigenetic changes around the DNA core.” It looks really bad; this is going to cause a lot of cancer, especially leukemia and brain tumors. They think the changes are very likely also occurring in bone marrow cells (https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-mrna-covid-jabs-change-genetic).
I think people who are innately very happy who really really really want to have kids should still have a kid or two. People who are innately very happy will find it all have to been worth it, even when things are beyond terrible. The planet can survive that amount of human reproduction.
>They find the changes months after the shots, even though macrophages only live a couple of weeks. It’s a peer reviewed study. It is “epigenetic changes around the DNA core.” It looks really bad; this is going to cause a lot of cancer, especially leukemia and brain tumors.
It’s possible, but I’m not convinced this is a real problem. There will also be epigenetic changes when macrophages have simply been trained for a different kind of threat.
Epigenetic changes is a very difficult subject to understand well. I know little about epigenetics, I doubt Berenson is an expert on it.
Problems like IgG4 are far more clear-cut than any of these vague epigenetic changes. Basically anything you do or don’t do will change your epigenetics.
Thank you for looking at that.
The main reason people shouldn’t have children is because lots of people are shitty parents and/or don’t really like their children. I wish there was a way to sort this out in advance. Maybe, for example, women who refer to their wedding day as “my day” for starters. Men who wear sports jerseys with other dude’s names on them too. I’m sure there are lots more.
The cultural institution of parenthood as we understand it is inherently fucked up. The way that children are raised in this world guarantees that parents are going to fuck up their children to at least some degree, and the only questions are: by how much, and how resilient that child is. I remember reading this article a while back that I found pretty interesting, which I think it sums up the problem fairly well: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/william-gillis-the-first-prison. I mean, really you simply shouldn’t have one or two people who exert total control over the life of another, regardless of age, and that general dynamic is inherently going to cause issues no matter what.
It isn’t just the parents, it is the culture and the “system” too. These things are stacked against developing a healthy, mature, complete self. Parents who do well don’t control their children, they guide them. This has been nearly totally lost in the last 150 years or so. The entire modern existence is antithetical to raising children well, and parents must have their heads on a swivel to navigate it.
Found the article you linked interesting. It should be noted that even back in the 1950s children were far more free. Like, gangs of kids roamed around and just did whatever the hell they wanted. Here’s a good article on this.
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/05/the-zoomer-question/
Very different from today’s dynamics where histronic parents see pedophiles around every corner and while keeping their kids a few predetermined areas (Home, School, the Park) at one any one time. Of-course the way urban sprawl is now makes it far more difficult to get anywhere without cars.
>really you simply shouldn’t have one or two people who exert total control over the life of another, regardless of age, and that general dynamic is inherently going to cause issues no matter what.
People seem to be happiest living in tribes or giant extended families. Everyones heard this, but the nuclear family really was just a scam invented to sell more homes.
Yup
Most people who say they want children don’t even really want children; they just feel obligated to have them due to the wishes of parents, society, or their ideology; but they don’t actually want their days to revolve around nurturing a sentient being.
To most people caring for children is a depressing burden and they’d prefer to be doing other things, most parents can’t wait for their kids to grow up and leave; and this attitude rubs off on the kids and they don’t get care they need.
There is only one good reason to have kids, to create someone who will experience joy and a good life. If you don’t actually want to spend most of your time giving your kids everything they deserve that alone should be a disqualifer from having children. Even ignoring the oncoming environmental collapse, people born today are expected to be eternal slaves from school to work to death, there is very little joy to be experienced in the modern world. You can deny it but people are more depressed now than they have ever been. It’s not right to create more people who will just be tortured by our economic system. When you acknowledge the reality of oncoming environmental disaster it only becomes more cruel to have kids.
>Most people who say they want children don’t even really want children; they just feel obligated to have them due to the wishes of parents, society, or their ideology; but they don’t actually want their days to revolve around nurturing a sentient being.
Yup.
That would describe my own parents, who, while attentive to me in the manner one might water a plant or feed a dog, we’re never attuned to me as a child as a separate conscious organism requiring attention or dialogue or relationship. No positive reinforcement, only negative reinforcement, e.g. “Don’t get arrested or otherwise make us look bad.” They had more fun things to do as Boomers.
As a result, I evolved into the monstrous psychological abortion you all here know me as.
It is well established that personality disorders are a result of trauma or abuse, but most people don’t realize simple “neglect” is a a form of abuse as well.
Gotta get cringe and Emo for a moment (GOOD Emo, though)
Sunny Day Real Estate – “Snibe”
Does this wilted flower seem strange to you?
With all the poison at the roots?
Shut away from love and light
You’ll know why it’s screaming
Old enough to abuse me
But all too cheap to amuse me
We stand at the marketplace
With cold September eyes on the hungry (people? -ed.)
We passed the interrogation
Signed our names at the bottom of the
Government paper
Calling memories out of mind
Pictures writhing deep inside
And once you’ve seen, it’s hard to hide
You’ll know why you’re screaming
Strong enough not to fear me
But all too loud not to hear me
We stand at the marketplace
With cold September eyes on the hungry
people[?]
We passed the interrogation
Signed our names at the bottom of the
Government paper
[Unintelligible words spoken through a digitizer or vocoder, something about “standing outside”]
This wintertime
To waste your life
You reign, you die
You wait, you cry
This time in the light
A small flame in the night
You come
You bend
You burn…
Sick enough to infect me
But too far gone to protect me
https://youtu.be/yUuoTD9bWcY?si=e_-2QjWNqO_D6hwk
This song is really good, thanks for sharing. It’s clearly about sexual abuse but setting that aside its also really good in a melodic sense and there needs to be more music with irish/scottish/english people just screaming about whatever.
It’s encouraging to read that you have a refined aesthetic taste, Tryptie.
What would have prevented this or slowed it down dramatically is the Historic European marriage pattern. Like requiring economic establishment on the part of Husbands before he could even have sex.
There’s no stopping this, the match has already been struck, and short of getting a sudden dunking in a glass of water, it’s going to burn itself right on down and out.
Whether any of us here chooses to have kids, or chooses not have kids, is going to make a big fat zero bit of difference to that.
Yeah, I think you might be on to something. Gay people, transgender people, and mentally ill people should never reproduce. They’re like bad seeds that will never bear fruit, it’s natures way of re-establishing balance.
It’s the culling of the herd, those who are of impure spirit will be annihilated forever. It’s the war against good and evil, and good will always prevail. Those who give into hopelessness are condemned to their fate.
Those disorders are around 80% the result of childhood vaccines. It is a kind of evolution; do you have a metabolism which is resilient against being injected with aluminium and mercury?
Gay and transgender people have existed for as long as humans have existed, but vaccines are a very recent pheonomenon.
It depends what you mean by ‘transgender’. In my opinion, people who want to live in imitation of the other sex are trans-sexual or ‘transvestite, and threaten no-one and ought to be accepted for what they are. People who think that they are ‘trapped in the wrong’ body, have a psychological malady, that requires psychological treatment or compassion, but NOT, in a million years, hormonal drug regimes and mutilating surgery, most of which fail disastrously. ‘Transgenderism’ is deeply homophobic and misogynistic.
Every time I read misinformed shit like this I’m really grateful that I was never forced to take life advice from people like you. Hormone replacement therapy was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made and I think every single trans person I’ve ever spoken to felt the same way. That shit literally saves lives.
“‘Transgenderism’ is deeply homophobic and misogynistic.”
Yes, I’ve come to the same conclusion.
What’s going on is that any child that shows signs of gender non-conformity, being a tomboy, or a sissy, and thinks they might be gay, even if they haven’t acted out on it, are being encouraged to become transgender.
It’s almost like the messaging is that the only way it’s okay to be gay, or to be a masculine female or a feminine male, is to become transgender, involving surgical mutilation of your body, and chemical castration of your mind.
Either way the recipients of this barbaric practice become lifetime customers of big pharma, which is what THEY want. And when I say THEY I mean the same people profiting from the COVID-19 vaccines.
“Hormone replacement therapy was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made”
But you were born a male, and had this treatment later in life. The outcome is overwhelmingly negative for young women. They had to ban it in the UK for female adolescents, I think it was the Tavistock Institute that was performing the procedures. You see, in some regions a minor can receive puberty blocking treatments with parental permission, but what was happening is that when they gave it to girls, it completely fucked up their spines, since they were still growing, the puberty blockers interfered with their natural growth cycle, which was natures intended plan for their sex, and caused teenage girls to develop osteoporosis, and become irreversibly damaged for life.
Either way, to take a person who was otherwise completely healthy, and remove perfectly viable organs, to cosmetically alter their appearance through the use of drugs and surgery, because they could never realistic pull it off otherwise, since it’s a completely unnatural act, and to make them dependent on taking medication for the rest of their lives, is so profoundly sick.
It’s also very narcissistic and materialistic. People who are truly spiritually evolved are not dependent on the vanity of their outward appearance to feel peace of mind and to feel authentically themselves.
“do you have a metabolism which is resilient against being injected with aluminum and mercury?”
Good point. Yeah, I’m Gen X, haven’t had a vaccine in over 30 years. Prior to 1990 the childhood vaccine schedule was significantly less than it is now, and so probably I haven’t had much exposure to aluminum and mercury. I also don’t watch porn, am not a fan of anime, and am not a vegan.
One thing is for sure though, even if there’s always been gay people and transgender people, it is definitely something seeing exponential growth. And I don’t think it’s a natural phenomenon. If there is a depopulation agenda at play, what better way then to make as many people as possible gay, transgender, sickly, suicidal, and dependent on big pharma for life?
> It’s also very narcissistic and materialistic. People who are truly spiritually evolved are not dependent on the vanity of their outward appearance to feel peace of mind and to feel authentically themselves.
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> One thing is for sure though, even if there’s always been gay people and transgender people, it is definitely something seeing exponential growth. And I don’t think it’s a natural phenomenon
Google “Jennifer Bilek”
Gay and transgender people are not evil; they are just people; they are part of the natural range of humans (the political aspect is a separate issue). People who abuse animals are evil. People who are warmongers are evil. People who have kids and treat them badly are evil. They need to repent and change.
“Gay and transgender people are not evil; they are just people.”
It’s true that some people who identify as gay or transgender may not be inherently evil, but sticking a dick in an asshole, is definitely an unholy act. That’s how parasites are transmitted, Karen. Seriously, that’s some unhealthy shit right there, and that goes for heterosexual couples doing the same thing.
Do you know that the world population will peak until 2100 to 9 to 10 billion and then will rapidly collapse? That is written in stone. No one can change this trajectory anymore.
Since 2011 every year less humans are being born than the year before. Birth rates start even in subsahara africa to go down. Underpopulation will be the big problem of the future. And that doesnt even count in the deageling/culling that started in 2021. Look at the YT Docu “Birth gap”.
A bit of good news: people have been having way fewer children in recent years than demographers were predicting, it’s looking quite likely that the peak is going to be in the 2050s or 2060s now. Like, there are some places in south america where people have fewer kids than in Japan, and even in India they have fewer kids than the average American family did 15 years ago. They have been overestimating things because a lot of the projections didn’t take into account that people would continue to have fewer and fewer kids over time. So you know, it’s still a horrible situation overall but maybe slightly less so than it could have been otherwise.
2100?
Yeah, nah.
“Eminent Australian scientist Professor Frank Fenner, who helped to wipe out smallpox, predicts humans will probably be extinct within 100 years, because of overpopulation, environmental destruction and climate change.”
Fenner, now dead and gone himself, knew a thing or two about extinction, having run the program that exterminated smallpox.
To my mind, it looks like you are in the shock and denial stage, the very beginning of the grieving process. It’s not necessarily too late to stop thinking about this now – you might still be able to suppress the thoughts. If you can, then you may find it’s easier on yourself.
I’m of two minds whether it’s worth understanding the problem.
Is one more person who understands the predicament we are in going to make a difference? Very unlikely. It will make a difference to you though, and if you are a sensitive person, that difference is going to involve a lot of distress.
Personally, authenticity is important to me, so I take the pain, but I can see the ‘merit’ in looking the other way.
An additional good reason for men not to have kids… family court rape sucks big time. Researcher Dr. Stephen Baskerville says virtually 100% of divorces and family break-up involving kids are initiated by women.
Don’t stick your balls in that wringer, lads.
Men trot out the “divorces are initiated by women” stat all the time, but then the question is why the women initiate the divorces. I know two women whose husbands started sleeping with another woman within weeks of their kid being born. One of them initiated divorce and got divorced (the other never learned of the affair, but it went on for six years). That is a legitimate reason to initiate divorce; these women were betrayed by their husband when they were in their most vulnerable state and so they had no reason to trust him in the years to come. So the “who initiated” stat is not in itself relevant; the question is who was at fault; I never see any data on that.
Karen, that statistic was bandied about many years ago in the Manosphere. Their understanding was it showed the hypergamous nature of women. I happen to think there is a lot to that hypothesis.
But as you note from your personal experience, the opposite reality can also be true (men are dogs). This is probably truer among the lower classes.
Whatever the case, it is clear to me that the human mating process is a corrupt shit-show no matter which side of the divide among the sexes one finds oneself in. It’s a miracle to me that a significant proportion of the population manage to “muddle through” all of bullshit to produce the next generation, given all the suffering, angst and heartache involved.
This state of affairs is no doubt enabled by inordinate amounts of self-delusion.
Who is at fault? Well, most countries, including Russia and China, have adopted no-fault divorce, so we’ll never know. Not coincidentally, the onset of no-fault divorce marks the beginning of the ever-rising divorce rate, the ever-falling birth rate, and the lack of ‘coupling’ currently ongoing.
Reality is that regardless of fault, men endure a disproportionate share of the burdens involved in divorce, unless you accept that men really are at fault most of the time. If that’s the case, why would any woman get married? Oh wait… Elon’s harem is calling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispyUPqqL1c
It’s going to be a very different world when everyone who is like you is gone. It will happen in just a couple generations. I’m interested to see what it will be like.
I had many kids for autistic political and darwinian reasons. In the old days intellectual people like you would be married with kids, I suspect. You’ll all be gone soon. And on the bright side the materialistic people are also disappearing.
The world might be more boring and corny for a bit and then we’ll get into some religious wars.
The world is severely underpopulated, there’s just tons of enemy species taking up land that should be occupied by actual people
Nah 200 million English people is still too many. Dealing with the Continentals doesn’t help that world population should be like fifty million maximum. There are also many logistical issues when it comes to dealing with the lesser races like the Irish and Western Hunnic peoples.
Alas, if only WW3 could start already, the subhuman Germans and French should once again die in the fields en-masse, for their numbers have remained unchecked for too long. Who invented everything great? Not the niggers in human form you can observe in the Alpine German, who only knows how to brew beer and submit to loudmouth demagogues. North Sea Germans are of a slightly higher stock but still should go the way of the Neanderthal; for they are not truly of God like an Englishman is of God.
I’m joking btw.
Fun fact: In all sperm donor facilities around the world the women want “Aryan”sperm. From high IQ, white, tall, athletic, blond and blue eyed men. Not from africans or asians.
The Aryans shall inherit the world.
50 million people worldwide would be a Stone Age dystopia. 2000 BC roughly.
> 50 million people worldwide would be a Stone Age dystopia. 2000 BC roughly.
Have you ever seen “Elysium?”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)
(Directed by the same genius who made “District 9”)
We currently live in that strange interregnum where an old world is dying and a new world is not yet been born. 500 years of european dominance over the world, prolonged by the US, is finally ending. Trump (and the powers that support him)understand that fact and he tries to “build back better” :-).
BTW: Bio diversity in Europe became much wider when the europeans started to cultivate and farm the Lands that before were covered with thick forests. The problems started 100 years ago when industrial and chemical farming took over.