When you’re around my age, there’s something very tragic that happens to most guys. I wrote about it before. You tend to lose most of your friends and your life begins to revolve around your wife, your job and your kids (who will die in the upcoming water wars).
The boomers used to at least joke about this when a guy got married. “Blink twice if you’re held hostage!” They would joke. Marriage is a party for conscientious women, men just play along. But as we accelerate towards levels of gynocracy previously held unimaginable, you’re not even supposed to joke about it anymore.
You’re now supposed to just accept it: “My life now revolves around my job, my wife and my kids and I derive my sense of self-worth from my car.” The worst part is that most of you idiots don’t marry your high school sweetheart at eighteen, like the boomers used to do. At age eighteen it’s not your fault, you didn’t know better.
No, you morons marry 28 year old women with college degrees. It’s like you people leave Jeffrey Dahmer’s apartment alive after you saw the head and hands in his refrigerator, saw him rock back and forth while watching the Exorcist 3, escaped through the front door and then a minute later walked back in saying “oh sorry I forgot my keys”. That’s what it’s like, to marry a 28 year old woman.
You know how that works right? She has really fallen in love two or three times already by now and now she’s just looking to settle down. When I say “fallen in love” I mean “I’m getting blackout drunk because the alternative is jumping in front of a train” fallen in love. I don’t care whether a woman has had sex with 200 guys. If she has really fallen in love two or three times, she had her innocence shattered in a way a gang bang never could.
They just become pragmatic after a while, you’re just a collection of traits, strengths and flaws like a character in an RPG game and dating them becomes like a job interview. Remember, they mature faster than men. You look like the guy from her favorite emo band? Sorry, that’s age 15. At age 25 it’s “you’re about to become partner in a law firm”.
I sometimes see these news stories from the United States, of these trashy emo kids from some small town, who like to go to shows and hang out with their friends and go skateboarding and get bad grades in high school despite being pretty smart and then at some point when they’re 18 or 19 they have too much fentanyl in their coke or get sucked up into a tornado and they just die. They never even made it to the age where it’s sad when you dress like that. They never got to learn what mortgage interest deduction means. You can tell God loves them, so they’re spared the pain of growing old.
I mean, do you married people even ever go out and do stuff with your friends? When was the last time you went to the cinema with a friend? When was the last time you went bowling with the guys? It’s like when I was in Norway and I went rafting and there were these guys there with their girlfriend and I just thought to myself: “Wait, why are you going rafting with your girlfriend? This is the sort of thing you want to do with your mates.”
But now I realize, this is just what adulting looks like. You have to do EVERYTHING with your wife. Museum? With your wife. Cinema? With your wife. Restaurant? With your wife. Even going out into the forest, you have to go with your wife. You always have this single person around, who you have to fool yourself into believing is somehow uniquely well-suited for you, your “other half”.
The worst thing I can think of are those guys who end up marrying some girl they knew already when she was in a relationship. You’re one of the fallback guys dude. You’re plan B. And this isn’t just guys who lost the genetic lottery at birth, no, some pretty clever good-looking guys just don’t recognize it. She is your world. But to her, you were plan B. Or C. She might have cleansed this from her mind, she’d never admit it. But you were plan B bro.
They always have a bunch of guys around, like stray cats in the neighborhood that you feed every once in a while, while you have a cat at home. And if you were to ask her “could you see yourself in a relationship with Bob?” “Oh no, we’re just friends!” Of course. Until Jimmy cheats, or Jimmy loses his job and gets addicted to meth, or Jimmy has an accident and ends up in a wheelchair, or Jimmy breaks up with her. Then Bob moves ahead in the line.
I’ve often wished I was gay, but it’s just not how my brain works. My sexual attraction to women is very banal and very hard-coded. I also just can’t help but feel there’s something undignified about sodomy between men, it feels to me like the sort of atrocity you hear about in warzones, instead of a pleasant sexual act between two consenting partners.
In fact, I can’t help but suffer the impression that the “LGBTQ” community just preys on kids who don’t fit in: “Oh you have polycystic ovary syndrome so you’re obese, get acne and have a moustache? Hey are you sure your pronouns are not they/them?” “Oh you don’t like watching sportsball and always get picked last in gym class? Are you sure you’re not actually just a girl?” Instead of pressure to be straight, a lot of kids are now put under pressure not to be straight.
So generally speaking, I just tend to avoid relationships. For men, it’s now basically just a way to sign up as a slave of one particular woman. If I lived more than a century ago, I would have probably signed up to be a monk, the clergy was like the LGBTQI community without the whole fake penises made out of forearm skin thing.
But it amazes me that people don’t see it. Marriage is just a very bad deal for guys. The only reason I can think of is if you want children. But if you want children, in 2024, you’re really stupid anyway. To bring children into the world today is like inviting someone to a house party at 3AM. By the time they show up, they can help the host get the vomit stains out of the carpet.
Women love costume dramas and the story is always the same: This poor young woman gets married to this much older cruel authoritarian brute, she has some children with him (but he only cares about the boys) and then she falls in love with some mysterious exotic effeminate poet-doctor type, even though this is of course forbidden.
But we kind of ran out of brutes and now we just have a bunch of fat dweebs who are bossed around by their wives. Women want to tame a beast, but when she succeeds and the beast is tamed he’s not rewarded with the other hole or anything. No, once she manages to tame the beast, she loses interest in her pet.
Yes, this is correct
The pick up artists are really the free thinkers. You don’t need to follow society’s unwritten rules like some brainless zombie. You can have girlfriends or friends with benefits. If they become demanding and overbearing, you can find a nicer friend. Hell, feminism enocourages this. You no longer have to marry to get sex. The women expect it on the 3rd date.
You can live together and act just like a married couple. If you don’t get legally married or mix your bank accounts, you avoid all the legal pitfalls. It’s a wonderful life being free.
You obviously don’t know anything about family law in the U.S.. There is such a thing as “palimony.” If you live together for long enough in the right sort of way, when you break up the person you are living with can sue for the same sort of support as a spouse would get.
For instance: https://www.argyrismah.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-california-palimony/
I suppose I shouldn’t be giving you this heads up. So never mind; go head and try your system.
Of course, women are very threatened by what I wrote. This bitter old harpie shows why smart men avoid marriage. Exactly one person was sued for palimony. It was big news 4 or 5 decades ago.
I checked further and yes, this does seem to be a CA thing. It’s funny how large it looms in the minds of Californians; I know several people (including two attorneys) whose romantic decisions have been affected by the case law.
Anyway, what you’re suggesting doesn’t lead to happiness. But maybe it is the only thing left for most people. I’m happily married and know a number of happily married people, but the numbers aren’t good overall.
I tried to figure out why I found your post so annoying. It wasn’t your advice; it was your cliches. “Pick up artists,” “free thinkers,” “smart men,” “society’s unwritten rules,” “brainless zombie,””friends with benefits,” “demanding and overbearing,” “legal pitfalls.” It was like it was machine generated. If you are an actual human it is a shame to have such banal phrases going through your head. At least buy a thesaurus; don’t use an online one; buy an old one like Roget’s that has variety. But maybe you are not a native English speaker, and these phrases seem fresh to you.
For young right wing white men (who don’t believe in racial supremacy and keeping their bloodline “pure” lol [ALL HUMANS ARE AFRICAN APES YOU IDIOTS!!!]) there is still the option of interracial marriage. So instead of marrying a woke white woman who is too narcissistic and demanding, there is the option of a conservative Filipina, Indian, Oriental, Hispanic or African who will be less likely to divorce rape you.
You’ve written before how the women of these “exotic” races/ethnicities love white men. And it’s no secret that many LSWMs (even if they don’t want to admit it) secretly have “yellow fever” and/or a fetish for melanin.
So it is a match made in heaven. LSWMs and brown/yellow women. The sacred and heavenly melanin will keep their skin youthful.
Come at me, wignats.
In a marriage to a traditional woman (whether of another ethnicity or not) you have a whole extended family making sure you toe the line, not just your wife. And you have to help support them financially; that is what is expected of a man. You are imagining women who are traditional who don’t have large extended families whom they are devoted to, but that is not how it works; you are marrying the family, too. Expect to get a lot of phone calls at 2 a.m. from her relatives in a distant state or country, describing their dire (and often real) need for financial help; your traditional wife will send that money. Also your traditional wife will be constantly asking her relatives how to deal with you, and you might not like what they tell her.
I’m not going to name names here, but from what I’ve seen LSWMs who think marrying an Asian woman is their escape hatch tend to end up even more enslaved than LSWMs who just marry some desperate white woman who treats them as their plan B/C/D. I’ve never seen anything good come out of that.
Really, I think the only way to make marriage “work” in the modern age is to just have an exciting life, so she never grows bored of you. It also helps when younger women try (but fail) to snatch you away from her. Melania Trump hates Donald, but she never abandons him, because she knows the alternative is just an empty meaningless void. “What happened today honey?” “Oh I gave a speech and got shot in my ear.”
The woman stays home, knows nothing of the world, while the man goes out there exploring on the ocean and encounters many adventures. That’s the traditional dynamic, the dynamic that makes men interesting to women. In our era, every man will just start to bore a woman after a few years. Unless she herself is very boring I suppose.
It already kind of helps if you just have a life beyond your woman, a mysterious world of your own she is only vaguely aware of. A woman will generally try to avoid that, she will want you to join her to weddings of her boring friends, but it’s what keeps you interesting to her.
Weird friends, secret societies, a job that forces you to go abroad for a few days a year, exclusive parties she gets to join you to, maybe just a Youtube channel for which you travel or meet famous people, as long as you have a bit of mystery in your life, it’s possible to stop a woman from growing bored of you.
But it’s difficult and most women are just terminally bored of a man within 5 to 7 years of marriage. If they’re confident they will then divorce you, if they’re not confident you’re then stuck with them for the rest of their lives.
Per the vole studies and also in my observation, the inclination to monogamy or otherwise is biological; some people are that way and some are not. The activities you are describing could help around the edges but likely wouldn’t work in the end if you were dealing with a natural divorcer; it would be a lot less work to just find the genetic marker. The shortcut is to find someone in whose family divorce is rare, but that is not foolproof. There is almost no divorce in my family, and it isn’t because people don’t have reason to divorce. But then if you do find and marry such a person, you must be fair and not attribute their patience to their being boring or lacking confidence; that is unjust; it is simply a biological attribute.
I am racially superior to any person who isn’t Germanic and people who don’t look like me are yucky.
Withdrawing and becoming a monk (hermit-monk) was always my dream. Instead, here I am, filing attorney’s liens against deadbeat clients, and sending kids to daycare cuz wife can’t be bothered to stay at home cuz office life is apparently so great /s Please god, asteroid/meteorite/armageddon time….
The wife wants the office job since she subconsciously figures that if she stays home you will cheat on her with someone in your office. And even though she is (presumably) not cheating with someone in her office, by working she is not in the degraded position of you being able to cheat and she not able to cheat. There is also the eating out thing. I knew a guy whose wife worked and it was really clear that it was just so that they could eat out all the time; I asked him if that was what it was all about and he said yes. I know women who would rather work 80 hours a week and get to eat out a even just a couple of times a week, rather than stay at home and cook.
Maybe it is different in the Netherlands but almost none of the men that I have known in the course of my life had “do stuff with the guys” male relationships before marriage. They were solitary, and did a few things with male acquaintances once in a while, and greatly valued that, but they never managed any more. Basically they did not trust other men, for reasons. And so they weren’t giving up anything in the way of male relationships by getting married; they were getting to finally be around another person. I would guess that this is selected for, since you end up with more kids if men and women pair up.
I think it’s different in the United States yes.
American society is strangely individualistic, more so even than very individualistic European countries like the Netherlands.
In a country like Japan, a guy’s life just doesn’t revolve around a woman, not even once he’s married.
He goes to the karaoke bars with his colleagues and he’s never fired no matter how much he screws up. His colleagues are basically his mates.
In the United States, guys seem to lead very lonely lives.
You don’t really seem to have that dynamic of a group of LSWMs who go to the same local pub, or go fishing together, or play in the same soccer club.
And as a result American men reproduce themselves and Japanese men (and other men from modern “do stuff with the guys” cultures) don’t.
In the old days, a Japanese man would have an extended family and so his wife would have relatives around during the day and she wouldn’t be stuck home alone with the kids and so it would be a tolerable situation for reproduction. Who would want to be a Japanese housewife now, home alone all day and responsible for the kids, and then a drunken husband showing up at dawn? So the women don’t marry. But in the old days the married Japanese man’s extended family would greatly control the amount of time he could spend partying with friends; he would be stuck going to many family functions and religious functions. So now they are dying out.
I’m not saying that reproduction is a great thing; just that you can see why men being solitary and thereby needful of a wife does lead to it, whereas male bonding party guys are not much use for that and so they will be replaced.
>Japanese men (and other men from modern “do stuff with the guys” cultures) don’t.
It’s not modern.
It’s traditional. Men and women used to have largely separate worlds. Men had societies of their own like Freemasonry, where they can bond and where women are not welcome.
Hunting trips are just an excuse for male bonding too, often they just sit in their tent together drinking liquor covered in deer poop and never end up shooting an animal at all.
Male bonding mostly started falling apart when the idea of “gay” men was invented. Once it was invented that some guys are “born” “gay”, men became terrified of being seen as “gay”, so male bonding rapidly fell apart.
It’s a very tragic loss.
And what did it get the “gays”? Most of them died of AIDS within years of emancipation and now they’re just taught to inject estrogen and pretend to be women. Or if you can’t get into that, you can go to the gay club and smoke meth while dressed in leather and have some pervert shove a hot candle in your ass and tell yourself that this is what you always really wanted instead of just hanging out and getting drunk with some straight LSWMs in a hunting lodge in the wilderness.
When men are completely free to pursue their sexual desires, they very rapidly turn insane. The normal safety mechanisms that prevent this are societal taboos and women’s refusal to go along with men’s escalating perversions. But we broke those mechanisms so now we witness the gays basically killing themselves off and everyone is in denial about it.
It’s all very sad.
That is why I wrote “MODERN ‘do stuff with the guys’ cultures”, since yes of course in the old days men and women used to have separate realms and men bonded and women hung out with female relatives and neighbors. But that is not what is going on now. MODERN “do stuff with the guys” cultures like in Japan don’t work out; no-one reproduces.
I’m not sure women ever wanted the traditional stay at home position; they may have just been stuck. They aren’t stuck now.
Fair enough, but I don’t think it’s the “do stuff with the guys” part that makes Japan die out.
I think people just feel unready to start a family at a young age.
If you have a bunch of people marrying at 18, at least some of them will end up with 4 kids or so.
When most people wait until 30, biology becomes less cooperative.
Societies like Japan would have been better off just leaving more options available for people who don’t want to go to college.
And to some degree I suppose it’s inevitable.
At the 30’s and beyond. It is harder for women fertility wise.
>Male bonding mostly started falling apart when the idea of “gay” men was invented. Once it was invented that some guys are “born” “gay”, men became terrified of being seen as “gay”, so male bonding rapidly fell apart.
I had already been planning on posting this but now it’s doubly topical. I left this in the slowchat already but do check this out if you haven’t (or was that a direct reference, because I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else but this author make that claim)
https://asylummagazine.ca/THE-GAY-QUESTION
“If you have a bunch of people marrying at 18, at least some of them will end up with 4 kids or so.
When most people wait until 30, biology becomes less cooperative.”
you would think that but it ain’t true. There was a big study done which essentially correlated exactly the same in Japan USA Germany etc that the ratios of the amount of children hasn’t changed at all (or by only a tiny amount). Still 6% of mothers have 4 kids etc. The amount of children women has gone from 10ish % to in some places 40-50%.
Lot’s of reasons why but they generally started with an economic event. Once the cat ladies started telling younger women how amazing it is to have a career a box wine subscription a degree framed in mahogany on your wall and a rescue cat from Romania the whole thing spirals out of control.
Why oh why did I reproduce… (joke).
We boomers went river rafting with our mates, not our wives.
See Deliverance.
“You don’t really seem to have that dynamic of a group of LSWMs who go to the same local pub, or go fishing together, or play in the same soccer club.”
That kind of dies out in late 20s, early 3os, in my experience. Most of my mates got married and had kids and I have always had just a small circle of close friends. It’s the same with loads of guys in their mid-late 30s. Married mates and their highly judgemental wives prefer to meet couples, preferably couples with kids. They hate single men over the age of 30.
>They hate single men over the age of 30.
Planters tend to hate free negroes too.
And I concur with LSWM Lives Matter. Go and find a hot Chinese or Thai girl. Good luck trying to get a black girl though, they are solely committed to fucking black guys in my experience.
Only one of my two posts got posted for some reason. whatever. I can’t be bothered reposting it but I think most guys lose contact with a lot of friends in late 20s-early30s due to marriage and relationships. Especially if they have a small close circle of friends. And couples generally prefer to meet couples, preferably couples with children.
you haven’t gained full awareness, you’re still projecting your unconscious thoughts in various places and concocting strange ideas about the world around you as a result. When you do gain that awareness, it will feel as though you’re being tortured by demons in hell. As Jesus said in the gospel of thomas, “whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore.” You don’t really know what this means, if I explained it to you at this point you wouldn’t yet understand. But one day, maybe you’ll understand. You’re in a hell realm, but there is a way out and it can only come through personal, inner transformation.
Seems like there’s some truth there, to which I will add that all the men who are unmarried, childless, non-homeowners that I know are uniformly miserable in their late 40s and early 50s.
Not that the men who have wives, children, and homes aren’t also a pretty depressing bunch, but they do seem to suffer less ennui and despair.
There are upsides and downsides to both.
On balance, based on personal experience, I’d say there are more upsides to being a family man than to being any one of my old former circle of (now) middle-aged, child-free, bachelor, renting, druggie mates. To each their own though.
On the monk angle, someone told me the other day that gays and so forth used to become the priests and whatever in the church. It wouldn’t have been as far back as a century either. Probably still happened until fairly recently. Probably still does to at least some extent I imagine. So that is still an option.
I’m drinking, so it’s time for some tracks. . .
For starters, here’s a Radiohead track from the 90’s, that sticks in my mind because me and the other bartender would play it on the duke box endlessly back when I was duty manager in a tavern (aka a dive bar): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk
One of the comments: “This song makes my depression have a depresion” – cackle!
Here’s one from when I was a labourer, and we’d sing this laying membrane:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RijB8wnJCN0
Cackle.
And here’s a horror inducing track if there was one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg&t=6s
Ah, Chris. . .
Nobody sings like you anymore.
You have your contemporary Australian diva Rintrah, and that’s cool, but long before Zheani there was Chrissy, who for me will always remain the ultimate Ozzie female performer.
She was such a punxsie thing.
With legendary influences like Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs, Lobby Lloyd and the Coloured Balls, the EasyBeats, AC/DC, and a gateway drug to Australian pub rock (which is the greatest music genre of all time) more generally, so acts like Rose Tattoo, the Angels, Midnight Oil, etc.
Sex. Violence. Raw. Chaotic. Drunk. Power. But no shortage of intelligence, love, sadness and whimsy either.
Best stuff ever created.
You could take your pick of Chrissy/Divinyls tracks really, but here’s one for the times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrBd96o7y4Y
And for my last track, a classic metal cover of the Jeff Wayne stoner classic, played by a band from my hometown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRDN9Qsy2mc&t=4s
I went to school (although, yes, I dropped out – I was too cool for school :P) with a kid who played with that band
I wonder how many bongs stoners have smoked listening to the original?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Poii8JAbtng
There are some AMAZING voices on that double LP! Richard Burton man. . . what can I say? And Phil Lynott! Man, that cat could sing.
Legend.
Here you go, another one from my youth, maybe not quite from the Netherlands, but I’m sure they’re basically ‘clog wogs’, or close enough 😛
https://vimeo.com/189426019
The clip seems to have a gap in it; possibly censored. I don’t remember that gap when watching the clip on late-night music TV here in Oz in my teens. Probably were some nips there or something that some idiot might find offensive.
Married? No one is getting married anymore: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20210513-1.
You probably mean “entering a long-term relationship”. Which still sucks, yes, I admit.
On the other hand, men are pretty useless without a woman and tend to self-destruct.
All things considered, being a family man still beats being single at age 40.
It’s all true, Rintrah, but it’s a pure rationalistic view on relationships. It all looks better if you include the idealistic part.
Isn’t there something very vitalizing when a woman is near?
“Rewarded with the other hole” if u classify the hole where poop comes out as a reward I got news for u Rad u might be a fag.
Be fruitful and multiply don’t be fruity and blow a guy.
Leave MGTOW to the Tom Leykis’ of the world.
I’m rather a fan of married life. Cope, seethe and dilate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VVbFnMr7b8
This is a vid on the philosophy of Aurthur Schopenhauer from the mid 1800’s, his “Essay on Women”. Kinda funny but a bit long. This sums it up
“Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex … More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling of receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please.”