We live in an era in which the demand for doomporn exceeds the available supply. I could offer you some more doom, but the reality is that actual doom seems to be severely lacking in our world. Every prophet of doom has to face that realization at some point, that nothing too exciting is happening. Everything just gradually gets worse at a tedious pace in a relatively predictable manner, it’s like our society has type two diabetes.
When I look at our society, I don’t get the impression it makes people very happy. Among American women above sixty, one in four receive antidepressants. In every developed country, you observe long waiting lists for mental health services, especially for young people. These problems get worse, the more you place academic demands on young people and the more you create a society where people have little in common. I think cPTSD goes hand in hand with the hunger for doom. There are things that happened, that make you yearn for the world you know to come to an end. It’s very hard to get it out of your head.
I don’t have much else to report. I’m trying to heal from trauma, which is not easy. All personality is in a sense pathology. My life would be a lot easier, if I was less neurotic and more conscientious, agreeable and extraverted. Omega 3 fatty acids should help with that, but it will take a few weeks to see any results. And even then, in a lot of ways, the damage has already been done.
Long ago, when I was a child, we were doing a potato sack race during a day of sports. I wasn’t good at it, I fell halfway through and started to get out of the sack, but a mother who volunteered to help insisted I should finish the course, even though I could no longer win anyway. I’ve often felt like this about life in general.
I was never really ready and well-prepared for the general course in which life unfolds. I always hoped something dramatic would happen that would change what day to day life means, that survival itself would again be an accomplishment, as it is for the animals in nature. But no such thing ever happened. Instead, I still just have to complete the potato sack race, even though I can no longer win.
How do you define winning?
Once again, you’re wrong. I’ve got an interesting rabbit hole for you:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TYuPQ2NbkwA&t=6s&pp=2AEGkAIB
Thats a topic that requires you to spend time on. Maybe you get your drive back.
Doom soon
Absolutely.
But first a solar storm / superflare will hit the earth, maybe an X1000. So all electronic devices will be grilled from one minute to another, the next day the world will be in the technological stone age. That’s real doom which can happen any time.
I always wonder why people generelly don’t care about that and don’t prepare. It is no secret that this happened regularly. It is sheer luck that our civilisation could evolved such a long time.
Campi Flegrei will also go boom in the next 6-18 months, so there will be a nuclear winter in the northern hemisphere. Unless you have food for at least 1 year stockpiled, you will die. And you must be able to defend your stockpile with weapons.
In the end humans will eat each other to survive. Oscar Kiss Maerth would be happy with that, “The Beginning was the End” and also “The End will be like the Beginning” – that is an esoteric principle of the universe.
Doom porn is an IQ test. Talk to an old person. The same stories have been recycled for 100s of years. You grandparents heard mostly the same things. Only the mentally ill and retards worry about anything with less than a 2% chance of occuring.
>Doom porn is an IQ test. Talk to an old person. The same stories have been recycled for 100s of years. You grandparents heard mostly the same things. Only the mentally ill and retards worry about anything with less than a 2% chance of occuring.
Yep
Yep, our grandparents faced AI, rapid climate destabilisation, bio-warfare with CRISPRed organisms, nano-plastics in their brains, glyphosate in food, the collapse of insect populations, ubiquitous surveillance, universal obesity and the fall of the Western Reich, didn’t they?
@Mulga: That’s very funny. That’s what you call subtlety. Stating the truth without spelling it out for the retards.
And only idiots don’t prepare. So people like you will starve to death first, and I like that scenario. I won’t a share a milligram food whith such people. All you get is bullets and antipersonal mines, lol.
Electrified society exists only for about 60-70 years in general. So why do you talk about “100s of years”. That scenario of a solar flare is only a threat in an electrified society, which is globally now. One new Carrington event and this civilisation is done.
Such massive flares happen regularly every 150-200 years, and this fact is scientifically proven onlye since about the year ~2000. So why do you talk about “100s of years”. What a stupid statement… And the threat has risen even more due to the internet which plays a vital role in every aspect of your life now, if only the internet collapses, this civilisation will collapse too in a few days.
Only idiots don’t see this problem. Only idiots don’t prepare. And the chance is much higher than 2%, the joke is, that this chance rises every day, because it is only a matter of time when the solar killshot will hit the earth and fry every electric device. Then you retard incels have no access to porn anymore and your sense of life (the internet) will only exist in your brains anymore. I like that imagination very much, when all those zombies with smartphones will be unplugged from the net the rest of their lives and have to face the brutal reality of nature. There will be no mercy for those people. No police, no government, no father, no god who will save your pitiful, miserable, useless lives in such a scenario. And yeah, that’s the whole reason why you are fearful in thinking about that, because you know in your innermost it is true, but try to ridicule that fact superficially otherwise with some dumb comment.
@Richard
Yep, I agree 100 percent. When I first read that idiotic comment, it put me in a bad mood. I wanted to say something to set this fool strait, but I held back. Thanks for saying what needed to be said.
*Typo: “strait” should be “straight”
Clarification: I don’t share Richard’s callous disregard for human life, but I agree with the need to be prepared, and only fools think that all doom is exaggerated nonsense to be ignored.
Those who do not know history, are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past, at their own peril. Smart people prepare themselves. People who put themselves at the mercy of their government to protect them when the shit hits the fan, are like pawns on a chessboard existing only to be sacrificed.
It wouldn’t be surprising if the radioactive materials in spent fuel ponds cooked off after a Carrington event took down the grid.
How many thousands of Fukushimas would that be again?
Richard doesn’t just have a disregard for human life; he is actively reveling in the prospect of death. That is sick. He is an old guy who excites himself with the idea of young men dying; in earlier posts he urged young men to fight in war but he is too old to himself. He complains about incels but gave us repeated graphic descriptions of sexual acts with Putin. He won’t do well if things fall apart; there will be no prostate meds.
Old people should try to help young people, not wish for their deaths. The old people I know care about young people; both particular young people and young people in general.
None of that shit is going to happen and if it does I’ve mapped out the houses of a few local preppers who look tasty. I will feast like a king on the flesh of preppers
Why waste your time on doom porn when there’s furry porn?
More doom porn from Japan:
https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1927428419307913534?t=Dq9wPiTf_Kq6K1ec4Wbnhg&s=19
Have no sympathy for the crapanese.
And of course we can’t ignore some raw milk doom porn:
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Su2QjdlKgEM
Imagine how ironic it would be if a MAHA conference in the White House turned out to be Ground Zero for a human H5N1 pandemic that ended up killing billions of innocent people.
A flower is just stalk, for a long time, before there’s a huge change in a relatively short time and similarly any of us can unexpectedly die anytime. So why complete the potato sack race? “To thine own self be true.”
Have you read Watts’ “The Book…”? I’ve been trying to understand it for a long time, think it may be the most important book for our time. https://terebess.hu/english/AlanWatts-On%20The%20Taboo%20Against%20Knowing%20Who%20You%20Are.pdf
There’s so much happening with Covid now, I hope you can find the time and energy to keep us updated on your perspective.
>Have you read Watts’ “The Book…”? I’ve been trying to understand it for a long time, think it may be the most important book for our time.
Maybe not “the most important book” but it is certainly up there.
I challenge Karen to read “The Book”
I tried reading it when I was between colleges and found it incomprehensible, which I’ve heard is not a rare response. I then ended up majoring in philosophy. I’ve now looked at a summary of the book and the sorts of distinctions he makes are familiar to me, although not his particular system of course.
I read horribly slowly (except when taking standardized tests, which I am great at). I have enough trouble keeping traditional Quaker theology straight, and it has the benefit of speaking to me powerfully and convincingly, and nothing else I’ve come across has. The Quaker stuff fits into my day to day life, and helps tie me spiritually to my fellow worshippers. I am just not going to learn Watts’ system; it just isn’t going to happen, and if it did it wouldn’t cause me to act differently. You are manic and so you can read this stuff; I am nearly vegetative and so I can’t. If I sit waiting for God’s presence I can often sense it and that more than suffices. Our life here is short.
I read that book when I was 16, and at the time it was the best book I ever read, even though I didn’t understand everything in it. Watt’s philosophy is a cross of Zen Buddhism, Hinduism, and Western Occultism, heavily steeped in the 1960s hippie counterculture of the time. Then year’s later I found out he was a hardcore alcoholic, like drinking a big bottle of hard liquor everyday for years, and I lost all respect for him, because I thought how could this guy who gets shit faced drunk everyday be an enlightened master, and realized then that eastern philosophy was not for me.
Karen;
>I tried reading it when I was between colleges and found it incomprehensible, which I’ve heard is not a rare response.
Big Bird:
>Then year’s later I found out he was a hardcore alcoholic, like drinking a big bottle of hard liquor everyday for years, and I lost all respect for him
THERE IS BUT ONLY ONE WOMAN — WITH A THOUSAND FACES
I have a mistrust of people who come up with complex systems that they can’t explain readily to other people. Even the most complicated philosophical principles can be made clear to a lay person if the person explaining actually understands the principles and goes to the effort. In the cases of “hard to get” spiritual systems that I’ve looked at closely, I’ve found that they were inconsistent or gibberish.
Real teachers want to be understood. The Sermon on the Mount was not (and is not) hard to understand. It is hard to live, however. That is why some people love complex systems; they can spend their time examining the systems, rather than changing their actions. It’s easier to learn countless systems than to change one small habit.
I don’t mean this to knock Watts; it would be unfair to do so without having read him properly. I just mean that you can find spiritual truth without those sorts of musings.
I remember the potato sack race in school.
Not a pleasant memory, but then I have very few pleasant memories. I was chucking along joyfully with hopes of winning when I was suddenly shoved over by a black boy twice my size.
I complained to the PE teacher and he mumbled “but that’s what makes it fun.”
I’m not traumatized but I did take it as a life lesson that I will never forget.
You are a young man. The God of the universe has plans for you. Your suffering is meaningful, burning karma. I am happy to read your diary when you post. You’ll reconstitute your body, it’s Good you stopped frying your nervous system with overuse of drugs. Eat clean, whether that means to you. Join a competitive social sport group, or even just be a loner and commit to topping personal records. Take walks, day or night. Find a walking buddy. Preferably a girl. The material is meaningless. You’re alive! Love you buddy.
Best to try your best to enjoy the life that’s been given to you, to try and see the beauty and goodness in in things; and be a good person who makes those around you better.
But you are not a good person.
In the slightest.
>But you are not a good person.
I am well aware, but I want to be better.
Back in the 1960s a relative of mine on the Yankee Maine side had a kid with cancer. She and her husband had no way to get to see the kid in the hospital, which was far away in Boston. A coworker of the father drove them faithfully, month after month, the great distance, many times, until the kid died. Frank had four somewhat worthless sons himself, and if left to their tending in his old age it wouldn’t be great, since he has a terrible tick borne illness and needs constant care. My female relatives who little back in the 60s, are tending him now.
When my grandfather was a poor little Scottish American boy in a small city in New England during the Depression, one day when he went out the door he found a pair of shoes; they had a note on them that said “for David.” He was so happy, to the end of his life he appreciated that.
When my mother was tending a dying relative with my help, she lent her CPAP to my brother, who was in very bad shape and crazy. So she could barely function, day after day in the rehab facility, changing diapers with me (they are always understaffed). We didn’t lack money to buy a CPAP; the problem is that the medical system makes it a very lengthy process with many appointments; it took months then and it isn’t much faster now. A neighbor down the street, who attends a bible church in my home town, came to visit my dying relative. When he heard of our problem he went home (he is an engineer) and sanitized and fixed up one of his spare CPAP machines, and lent it to my mom. I can’t tell you how much that helped.
Last year when my neighbor collapsed and was brought to the hospital, and only her late teen son was at home, their neighbor (who is Muslim, by the way, and whom they did not know well) drove the boy to the hospital to be with her.
This morning I got a call from an elderly friend who is in the hospital. He has been in for a week and was having a psychotic episode. He has no relatives other than a sister at a great distance and a wife who can barely function. I spent an hour talking him down. I will be calling him when I finish typing this to see how he is.
What God asks of us, He will present to us; we have to be open to what He wants us to do. Maybe it will be something the world cares about or maybe it won’t; that doesn’t matter.
You’re a good person kareninca.
Not innately, and not reliably. It is because it has been so hard for me that I can describe it. I look back at how I was when I was Rintrah’s age and I was horrible; it’s not that I was doing evil things but I was always angry.
>All personality is in a sense pathology.
Based
>Long ago, when I was a child, we were doing a potato sack race during a day of sports. I wasn’t good at it, I fell halfway through and started to get out of the sack, but a mother who volunteered to help insisted I should finish the course, even though I could no longer win anyway. I’ve often felt like this about life in general.
Relatable
>I was never really ready and well-prepared for the general course in which life unfolds. I always hoped something dramatic would happen that would change what day to day life means, that survival itself would again be an accomplishment, as it is for the animals in nature. But no such thing ever happened. Instead, I still just have to complete the potato sack race, even though I can no longer win.
Now the True Test begins.
Like one of those impossibly sadistic dilemmas from the “Saw” films
OT:
For Tryptie and for anyone who “knows” Tryptie
https://youtu.be/7BTtBrto__U?si=Ij8-ufOTHhbWd32k
Polarize me, sensitize me
Criticize me, civilize me
Compensate me, animate me
Complicate me, elevate me
Goddess in my garden
Sister in my soul
Angel in my armor
Actress in my role
Daughter of a demon lover
Empress of the hidden face
Priestess of the pagan mother
Ancient queen of inner space
Polarize me, sensitize me
Criticize me, civilize me
Compensate me, animate me
Complicate me, elevate me
Spirit in my psyche
Double in my role
Alter in my image
Struggle for control
Mistress of the dark unconscious
Mermaid of the lunar sea
Daughter of the great enchantress
Sister to the boy inside of me
Polarize me, sensitize me
Criticize me, civilize me
Compensate me, animate me
Complicate me, elevate me
My counterpart, my foolish heart
A man must learn to rule his tender part
A warming trend, a gentle friend
A man must build a fortress to defend
A secret face, a touch of grace
A man must learn to give a little space
A peaceful state, a submissive trait
A man must learn to gently dominate…
Polarize me, sensitize me
Criticize me, civilize me
Compensate me, animate me
Complicate me, elevate me
Complicate me, elevate me
It’s no coincidence that RFH facedoxxed recently.
Things are coming to a head
https://twitter.com/eatnik/status/1927652311947698238?s=46
Dooms are real. I lived through several “doomy” things:
1) Fall of the Soviet Union and unrest in Moscow (even participated)
2) Three financial meltdowns in the USA (2000, 2008, 2020)
3) The Covid pandemic
I enjoyed all of the above, it felt exhilarating at the time. I made money on the financial meltdowns, also.
There is a full-scale doom going on in the country of Ukraine right now. (I do not enjoy this one in any way.)
The point is, dooms are real and they do happen.
Regarding your CPTSD and so on, a part of it may be colored by your autism.
Forgot to say, dooms are real, but they are also unpredictable. I also have a personality whereas I get animated by dooms and am extremely bored without them
Have you read Emil Cioran? He’s very funny and can get you out of a depression easily
>Have you read Emil Cioran? He’s very funny and can get you out of a depression easily
Emil Cioran is based, based Grandpa
My nigga:
I only write this kind of stuff, because explaining bores me terribly. That’s why I say when I’ve written aphorisms it’s that I’ve sunk back into fatigue, why bother. And so, the aphorism is scorned by “serious” people, the professors look down upon it. When they read a book of aphorisms, they say, “Oh, look what this fellow said ten pages back, now he’s saying the contrary. He’s not serious.” Me, I can put two aphorisms that are contradictory right next to each other. Aphorisms are also momentary truths. They’re not decrees. And I could tell you in nearly every case why I wrote this or that phrase, and when. It’s always set in motion by an encounter, an incident, a fit of temper, but they all have a cause. It’s not at all gratuitous.[34]
If you ignore the schizoposting and boomer fucktardery in the comments from the usual suspects, there is some very good advice in here.
Harrold, Daft, and LSWSM,CP#1F are 100% correct. Read their comments, and then read them again because there is genuine wisdom there.
What’s actually happening here is that you’re – belatedly and painfully – becoming a man.
I have no clue how old you actually are but the transition to manhood took longer for you because you spent years fucked up on whatever drugs you could get your hands on. They arrest your mental and emotional development and anyone who tries to argue against that is either a moron, deluding themselves, brain damaged, or very possibly all three.
The stuff you’re wrestling with in this post is the stuff men have wrestled with since – as Harrold correctly points out – the beginning of humanity. Children are oblivious. Many adults are mentally stuck in childhood and never get to where you are now, let alone get through to the other side.
Your recent struggles have marked the beginning of transition from dilettante to sapien. You’re discovering the eternal truth, which is that our lives are our own responsibility. Finding peace with that – as per LSWSM and Daft who collectively put it better than I can – is 99% of being a complete, well rounded, well balanced adult human.
You’re a good guy. You’ll get there, and it goes without saying that we’re right behind you.
9V Energizer Battery:
Children are innocent and see things as they are, even if their proposed plans are “unrealistic”
Far better than sclerotic “adults” who construct their worldviews in a way that reward their own individual circumstances.
Hang in there Rintrah.
Don’t fall into Schopenhauer’s pessimistic mental trap that’s so common among depressed doomers: “Today it is bad, and day by day it will get worse ― until at last the worst of all arrives.”
Pernicious nonsense.
There’s tremendous hope and opportunity for catastrophe at any given moment on any scale you care to imagine. Everything from mere personal destruction, right on up to a cosmic disaster.
History is packed with examples of sudden demise.
So be of good cheer.
>Don’t fall into Schopenhauer’s pessimistic mental trap that’s so common among depressed doomers: “Today it is bad, and day by day it will get worse ― until at last the worst of all arrives.”
Pernicious nonsense.
Heh.
You are speaking in a universalist sense.
No one perspective encompasses the entirety of the Human Condition.
Are you able to imagine the possibility that some humans have “good lives” and other humans have “shit lives?”
This nuance seems to escape you.
No worries.
You are human.
All too human.
Everyone here should familiarize themselves with the concept of “breakaway civilizations”
https://youtu.be/oIBtePb-dGY?si=11zRCaGKBgyjuNI-
It’s evolution, baby
https://youtu.be/aDaOgu2CQtI?si=11xWmqAMa9dVHg4w
I provided pessimistic Schopenhauer’s perspective, not mine – that’s was his idea, well, that and all human existence is some sort of mistake.
I don’t agree with him – which is what I was saying.
I agree that some humans have harder lives than others, but that doesn’t mean that we should all stop believing in truth and become mental cases.
The more I think about it, the more I come to realize that Christ is THE fundamental source of good in this world.
Just before covidworld began, I saw this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Australian_bushfire_season
Before then, I’ve seen the fires that caused the world’s first recorded incident of a fire tornado. The whole mountain range on fire. . . it made an impression. My house was covered in burned leaves from the tornado.
Fast forwarding back to the fires of 2019, now that made an even greater impression. I would watch this towering wall of smoke blow in each evening from fires to the east of me. You just wouldn’t believe what it was like – it has to be experienced.
We had only just stopped not being able to get masks to stop breathing in the smoke of over a billion burning animals, and could once again buy toilet paper, which for some reason (people cannot handle their own shit in a crisis) there was a mass panic buy (among other things that were suddenly unavailable), when we couldn’t get masks for covid.
It’s been an incredible handful of years really.
Catastrophic, continent spanning fires.
Manmade viruses and rat juice. . .
The loss in Afghanistan – ‘useful idiots’ abandoned to the tender mercies of the Taliban.
Now the west vs Russia in Ukraine. Threats of nuclear war.
Massive shifts in global power constellations are underway.
Fossil fuels seem to be peaking (again), among other resources.
A fragile, debt laden economy.
A backdrop of catastrophic ecological destruction. . .
Honestly, the case for a slow and steady fall seems weak and getting weaker all the time.
Falling off a Senneca cliff seems as likely, if not more likely.
Jesus, my man, you are on the clock.
Sorry, the toilet paper shortage was during covidworld, the fires before them caused shortages of appropriate masks, air purifiers, bottled water and water containers, etc. etc..
If my memory is mixing up events, it’s because the crises are coming so fast on the tails of each other that they’re blending into one.
I could just keep going on really – the madness of technology – the fabric of society is coming apart.
The breakdown of reality in the service of ‘the machine’ – people don’t even know what sex they are anymore, they think it’s something that they just ‘feel’ from time to time.
Without any sense of truth, they are lost in a blizzard of relativized madness.
These are things that are accelerating, not gradually increasing or gradually worsening.
The tattoos on everyone – a culture of self-mutilation that was previously limited to sailors and criminals
The porn.
The tabloid news here offers the youth two strands of hope – the first is to become an ‘Only Fans’ prostitute to build a stake that they gamble in the absurd housing Ponzi.
It’s all unhealthy, if not demonic, at its very core – and it’s accelerating and worsening all the time, and it’s all happened within the space of my lifetime, and I don’t feel like I’m that old.
I wouldn’t be surprised if I lived to see it end catastrophically.
I wouldn’t be surprised either if we were on the cusp of a Biblical event. I know people have said this for, like, 2000 years, but if they could see what it’s like now, they’d just withdraw and hide.
>I wouldn’t be surprised either if we were on the cusp of a Biblical event. I know people have said this for, like, 2000 years, but if they could see what it’s like now, they’d just withdraw and hide.
It’s the same old thing.
History isn’t an Ouroboros, it’s a cyclic 3D cone bearing down on something unimaginable.
History doesn’t repeat – it rhymes
I don’t think it’s an Ouroboros, which to me suggests some kind of cyclical thing, or some sort of critter that can exist through eating itself.
I go more for linear time – genesis through to judgement day, etc. Sure, it may contain cycles, but it’s linear – pushed along by the breath of God as it were.
The cone I can sort of see in the sense that I feel that we are experiencing a set of factors that are inexorably vectoring in on an Omega point.
Once we reach that point though, I would not be at all surprised to experience that Biblical event which opens things up into something very different.
And how could I forget the revolting mammon worship?
The abandonment of all values to the ‘the market’ to make decisions.
The preponderance of psychopathic anti-Christian Machiavellianism among decision makers, and built into decision making structures themselves – and yes, Machiavelli was a anti-Christian, hence his disgusting pagan views, which have infected decision makers for hundreds of years.
But now, the psychopathy is so prevalent as to be utterly predictable.
You know where our leaders will be – you can always find them on the low road.
>You know where our leaders will be – you can always find them on the low road.
Will we find each other in the uncharted forests?
That would be nice.
(But probably a fantasy)
There’s a lot to be said for withdrawing to the wilderness.
Is it a fantasy? It doesn’t seem like such a stretch of the imagination to think that many of us might be ‘called’ or forced to leave ‘Babylon’ someday soon.
It might be nice to find ourselves in company when that happens.
It seems just as likely though that they won’t let us escape and will just kill most of us instead. Although many of them may already be the walking dead themselves from accepting the ‘mark of the beast’, as it were.
Covidworld was a real eye-opener.
Just like that, the ‘normal’ majority turns on people.
Conrad said something about this – that civilization is just a thin crust over molten lava.
One never knows when one will step through.
Doom Porn:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TYuPQ2NbkwA&t=6s&pp=2AEGkAIB
Sorry, wrong link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc2uLAo90M8
WTF, this isn’t Prince Ahzrak fucking the Chthulu witch. Liar!
Thank you for this article.
The doomporn also got me good there for some years. I yearned for your articles on that often. I don’t anymore. I am on a similar path here.
I wish you good spirits in hard moments in these times!
The doom is happening, but it’s really only recently that people have started learning to accept it – just in the last handful of years really.
Pushing through the stages of grief from denial all the way to acceptance seems like the trick. Then living a whole life, on the edge of that volcano, that could erupt at any moment and drown you in lava.
You are lucky in way.
There are more people realizing that the predicament is real, cannot be avoided, so must be accepted.
There’s been a shift in consciousness that has enabled acceptance to be conceived in the mind and discussed between people, so there’s going to be support available that didn’t exist even several years ago.
Or maybe just find God.
That’s the best option going.
I went through a very deep, rough patch about ten years ago. I slowly realized:
Life is never as good as I want it to be. But it is always better than I deserve.
Meditate on that, and you will climb up and out eventually.
Don’t give up, better days are ahead.
Maybe Rintrah’s life is not as good as he deserves. Certainly that is true of many people.
When we come to understand that God, nature, and others owe us nothing, that is the point where we can begin to understand, rely, and relate to those things. Society masks that fact by making death and loneliness very much abstract concepts. Only by understanding and facing those realities can we eventually experience the joy, thankfulness, and connection that we long for.
TL;DR – we don’t deserve much, if anything, in our natural states. Does the rabbit deserve to not be eaten by the hawk? Does the hawk deserve a full belly?
People would benefit by reading the book of Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament. Hedonism and nihilism are the only two consistent choices for the materialist. Life’s circumstances are random and usually uncontrollable. That means the starting point of wisdom and joy is that we “deserve” nothing. We build a life and create meaning from there.
I think R is on the wise man’s path, he’s following the steps one must go through to have a true spiritual experience and one day maybe even a rich and purposeful existence.
I hope he continues.
One more thought. When one is focused on what “I deserve”, it precludes thankfulness. Spend time around unhappy people, they are always talking about what could have been or what they “should” have had. It’s madness. It is the opposite of being thankful for what one DOES have, and displaces real happiness. And I guess that makes sense, as it is one thing for you Karen to say what you think R deserves – that is compassion and empathy, which are good things. It is entirely different for R to think about what he thinks he deserves. That is…well, it is many things, all of them self-centered and none of them healthy or good.
No, that is wrong. God is just. In the end we receive justice, or what we deserve. We are not yet at the end, so we are not presently receiving justice. There are loads of people who deserve infinitely better than they are experiencing; for instance small children with cancer are the most extreme case. Job was not treated justly; that is why he was distressed. God did not gaslight him and tell him that he should be grateful and that his life experience was wonderful.
The “gratitude industry” is not a Christian thing. It is true that we should appreciate (that is, notice) the things that are going well, and not spend more time than necessary focusing on those aspects of reality that are miserable, but that is a psychological tip. not a truth about the universe.
God did not affirm Job’s grievance. His response was more or less to display His power. Yes Job was eventually restored but not because he earned it or deserved it, but because God chose to do so.
Job’s response to God: “Behold, I am insignificant. What can I say in response to you?”
Lastly: Job’s fortunes were restored when he prayed for his unwise friends, not when he complained about his situation. As I said above, to note others in trial is just and compassionate. To note oneself isn’t even worthy of God’s response.
No, God said that Job just didn’t understand and God couldn’t explain to him due to their different natures. That was the message; it was not just a gross display of power.
You are describing how God ultimately treated Job justly; we don’t know what God’s reasoning was; you can guess (as you are guessing) but it is just a guess.
You said that God doesn’t owe us anything. However, God entered into a covenant with the Jews, and so he owed the performance of His side of the covenant. He placed a rainbow in the sky as a promise; He owed the human race the performance of that promise.
And this is where theological discussions always go: textual nitpicking that misses the entire point and offers no counterpoint.
I made several counterpoints. You just didn’t like them.
“Nobody owes you anything” is a “guy’s world view”, not part of Christianity.
Anyway, we both wish Rintrah well.
It is funny that you would cite Ecclesiastes. It was nearly left out since it is not spiritually consistent with core Jewish beliefs; it may have been kept in because of its beauty or because of tradition. The Jews were focused on the justice of God; Christians on His justice and mercy. And we aren’t supposed to deny reality, and a reality is that this world is not our home, and it is a vale of tears.
Vale of tears. Yes, that’s it exactly. That is the starting point.
>Does the rabbit deserve to not be eaten by the hawk?
A resounding YES
> Does the hawk deserve a full belly?
A resounding YES
>Hedonism and nihilism are the only two consistent choices for the materialist.
True. Now what about those of us who are philosophical idealists who believe All Is Mind, from the Mind?
(Rhetorical question. Someone like you will never countenance the possibility your God is sadistic)
>. That means the starting point of wisdom and joy is that we “deserve” nothing. We build a life and create meaning from there.
My 40 year old cousin experienced a ruptured aneurysm 3 days after her Covid booster in late 2021. To this day she still requires around the clock in-home healthcare by questionable “aids” and can speak no more than the same few words available to her when she came out of her induced coma.
If that wasn’t bad enough, the resultant family dynamics between her husband, son, and mother are more toxic and horrific than any work of fiction I have ever read.
The whole ordeal has torn that family apart into angry and resentful devils.
Despite my antics on this blog, I am one of the most compassionate people you will ever meet.
And yet, I have been banished from that family for suggesting the obvious:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9062907/
What “good” would you propose might be available to us?
Because I’m desperate at this point.
Mr Mehen, the Mind is a material phenomenon. Unless and until you acknowledge a Spark. If not, you’re stuck with hedonism or nihilism.
This does not necessarily lead to the Christian God, but it does lead TOWARD the Christian God. Even someone who doesn’t get all the way there will be wiser and happier for the journey.
This is why I gave up evangelism decades ago, there are too many starting points, too many distractions, too many outcomes. All I want to see is people moving along that path. Whether they ever get there or not is dependent on too many things. But what I have seen is, everyone who moves that way even a little is better off than they were before.
>Maybe Rintrah’s life is not as good as he deserves. Certainly that is true of many people.
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@Wombat
>Once we reach that point though, I would not be at all surprised to experience that Biblical event which opens things up into something very different.
I’m just playin’ right now
https://youtu.be/A5vpjLEbBEc?si=UiqG6JMGEWHrDGPS
Let’s not kid ourselves, everyone.
Radagast is the Octopus whose sucker-suction arms have wrapped around our minds
And we are all still trying to figure out if it’s better to wriggle out and escape, or surrender to his Calm Dutchman Voice Big Brain
(You all know this is true)
Black
Then White
All I see
In my infancy
Red and yellow then came to be
Reaching out to me
Lets me see
As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
Drawn beyond the lines of reason
Push the envelope
Watch it bend
Over thinking, over analyzing
Separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition
Missing opportunities that I must
Feed my will to feel my moment
Drawing way outside the lines
Black then White are
All I see
In my infancy
Red and yellow then came to be
Reaching out to me
Lets me see
There is so much more which
Beckons me
To look through to these
Infinite possibilities
As below so above and beyond, I imagine
Drawn outside the lines of reason
Push the envelope
Watch it bend
Over-thinking, over-analyzing, separate the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, leaving opportunities behind
Feed my will to feel this moment
Urging me to cross the line
Reaching out to embrace the random
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come
I embrace my desire to
I embrace my desire to
Feel the rhythm
To feel connected
Enough to step aside and
Weep like a widow
To feel inspired
To fathom the power
To witness the beauty
To bathe in the fountain
To swing on the spiral
To swing on the spiral
To swing on the spiral of
Our divinity and
Still be a human…
With my feet upon the ground
I lose myself between the sounds
And open wide to suck it in
I feel it move across my skin
I’m reaching up and reaching out
I’m reaching for the random or
Whatever will bewilder me
Whatever will bewilder me
And following our will and wind
We may just go where no one’s been
We’ll ride the spiral to the end
And may just go where no one’s been
Spiral out, keep going
Spiral out, keep going
Spiral out, keep going
Spiral out, keep going
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qtCsQIIXbv24
By the way, that BitChute video is a fan-made video by some precocious high-school kids for a school project, explaining the math and weirdness behind this Tool track.
I’m not getting any feedback atm
This one makes me think of Rad and Karen
https://youtu.be/VjEq-r2agqc?si=ztJjurssfl-eozUb
Now I’m on a Peter Gabriel trip.
He did the soundtrack for Scorsese’s “The Last Temptation Of Christ”
A Different Drum
https://youtu.be/dcDAzmIRNGM?si=r4cTwbpZCsER8nmP
I can remember when The Last Temptation Of Christ was released.
There was a lot of hullaboo about it.
All the fundamentalist Christians considered it “blasphemous”
All because of a single section in the film where Jesus — while suffering on the cross — had a hallucinogenic dream of “another life” where he was seduced by a woman to live a “normal life” where He had a wife and children.
Satan told him “There is but One Woman – with a thousand faces”
(This is true, by the way. I know you hoes don’t like to hear it).
Red-headed Judas managed to snap Jesus out of his delirium, and put him back into His destiny of dying for our sins.
I’m not sure what I think about all this, except to say Peter Gabriel’s soundtrack to the film is the bees knees.
(Thinking of you, Sullen Eyes)
It Is Accomplished
https://youtu.be/5XhecEkNSgs?si=SgYBj43JDT_3u3Ys
Listen to some of these talks to help you along: https://tou.org/talks/.
Wombat:
>Conrad said something about this – that civilization is just a thin crust over molten lava.
One never knows [what] one will step through.
Wise.
Radagast,
Every day where you are better than the day before, you have won. Life is won not by accumulating things and external accomplishments. It is won one day at a time, each day that you choose to follow the nudges of divine spirit that lives within you. Each day that you strive to become a better person. Each day that you choose the right solution instead of the easy solution. Each day that you ease another’s suffering, that you accept or give beautiful kindnesses with another. Life is hard and success is goodness in spite of the difficulty.
You have already chosen the path to taking care of yourself by acknowledging the damage from a vegan diet and resolving to be an omnivore even though this is difficult for you. You have chosen the right solution, not the easy solution. You just won.
If everyday you strive to be a better person and to make your little world a better place for you, your family and your community, you’ll build a life to be proud of.
Thanks TM, I really appreciate the kind words.