The best antidepressant for nerds

So, I finished ordering my new microphone and once I get to pick it up we will have a new golden age. Billionairophobia episode 4 will be finished and I should even be able to plug it into my smartphone so it’s almost obligatory to have a new livestream too.

But I first want to bring up something else. There’s a really effective antidepressant, that you never really hear about. It’s scopolamine. Scopolamine has a bad reputation, because you see a lot of stories about people who have bad experiences with it. But that’s what happens in high doses. You only need very low doses, to have an antidepressant effect. Scopolamine is regularly given to people who suffer car sickness. An effective antidepressant dose in mice is 0.03mg/kg. The dose that kills half of mice, is 1880mg/kg.

When teenagers take Benadryl, they’re generally self-medicating depression. Benadryl hits the same receptor as scopolamine: The m1 Muscarinic acetylcholine receptor. But Benadryl, is a cold medicine, you need very high doses to get the anticholinergic effect, the active ingredient in Benadryl is far more inclined to bind to histamine receptors, its intended target.

Scopolamine has been often found to be an effective antidepressant, particularly in women. We know why. There’s a balance between cholinergic neurotransmission and catecholaminergic neurotransmission in the brain. More of one, means less of the other.

Catecholaminergic neurotransmission is Dopamine, Adrenaline and Noradrenaline. Cholinergic neurotransmission is mostly acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is important in learning, attention and concentration. The brain loses acetylcholine receptors and transporters as it ages, but it’s quite good at compensating for that, by simply increasing acetylcholine.

A lot of drugs raise cholinergic neurotransmission. Nicotine from tobacco basically activates the same receptors as acetylcholine. Caffeine from coffee slows down the natural breakdown of acetylcholine in the brain.

As we get older, our brains start to rely more on cholinergic neurotransmission. You see this in how our personality changes. Our interests become more narrow, we become less assertive and extraverted, we start to base our behavior more on reason and acquired knowledge. When this is excessively the case, we become depressed.

When the brain is injured, for example, through psychological trauma, you know what it does? There’s a sudden burst of acetylcholine in the brain during acute stress. That then leads to new neuronal connections in the brain, which can then be regularly recalled. But when they give the animals scopolamine before the stress, the traumatic memory can’t be formed.

There seems to be a certain sort of depressive phenotype, where neurotransmission has shifted excessively from catecholaminergic neurotransmission, towards cholinergic neurotransmission. You see it a lot, with anxious depressed people, who are just stuck ruminating on their own trauma and who are stuck worrying about big abstract problems most other people seem unaffected by. It also results in anhedonia: The inability to find things pleasurable that used to please you. This is just the type of depression I notice in smart nerdy people: Their joy for life has been overshadowed by knowledge.

With scopolamine, you just temporarily make some cholinergic pathways in the brain unavailable to your mind. As a result, the brain is forced to rely on other routes, strengthening those alternative connections. That’s what you see in the brain after a small dose of scopolamine: A rapid increase in synapses in the prefrontal cortex. The brain is forced to reroute. NDMA antagonists like Ketamine do this too.

There is a synergistic effect seen, when animals receive a small dose of scopolamine and ketamine. I’m not really encouraging people to hurry and try that, rather, I’m explaining it as a solution for when other solutions don’t work or are not an option. I think for the vast majority of people, it’s best to first try Psilocybe mushrooms.

We used to have nightshade plants with scopolamine in the beer that people drink. Before the use of hops in beer, medieval people used gruit. What’s gruit? A mixture of all sorts of plants people traditionally used. But included among the list was henbane, the main nightshade plant that was known to medieval Europeans.

My own recommendation, if you want to try scopolamine, is as following. First, you need to get yourself some Datura seeds. My recommendation is either Datura Innoxia, that I have, or Datura Wrightii, known as Sacred Datura.

Datura Stramonium or Datura Metel can be used, but these two species are not preferable, as they have atropine in addition to scopolamine in their seeds. The atropine has a more stimulating effect, whereas scopolamine is sedative and just helps you fall asleep.

Note: A seedpod, is not the same as a seed! The seedpod is spiky and contains numerous very small seeds within it. You need just a tiny amount of plant material, do NOT eat a whole seedpod!

Next, you start out by chewing and swallowing two of the seeds, about an hour or two before you go to bed. Then about an hour later, you drink a glass of beer. It’s my observation that a bit of beer just goes really well together with the effect of Datura. After finishing your beer, take a piss, so you won’t have to get out of bed to empty your bladder in the middle of the night.

Most likely, you will notice no effects from the Datura at all when you take just two seeds and you will just fall asleep. The first clear effect you may expect to notice when you experience the effects of a nightshade plant, is a dry mouth. When you notice no effect, you can increase the dose by one or two seeds the next time you take it. Be sure to keep at least 72 hours between doses, because scopolamine sticks around for a pretty long time in the body.

Please always make sure to check secondary sources, don’t just blindly believe what I say. There is a guide on Reddit.

Also be sure to use common sense. Datura innoxia seeds weigh about 13 milligram on average. The scopolamine content of a seed is around 0.17%, the atropine content is 0.023%. So, one seed is 0.0221 milligram of scopolamine. The scopolamine dose in a motion sickness patch is 1.5 milligram.

This means the dose in one motion sickness patch, is equivalent to the dose found in about 67 Datura innoxia seeds. Of course the dose in a motion sickness patch is released over a period of about 72 hours, but it illustrates that you really shouldn’t expect to lose your mind from eating one or two Datura seeds.

In fact, if you take less than ten seeds, you probably don’t notice anything at all. Again, I recommend starting with two seeds before you go to bed and increasing the dose by one or two seeds every time you take it, with 72 hours in between.

For me, there is nothing that quite works the way scopolamine works. The next day I just feel like I have more energy, more desire to do stuff, more lust for life and all the misery in the world affects me less. While I experience the direct effects of the datura seeds, music just sounds amazing, it’s like I hear a song I like again for the first or second time.

16 Comments

  1. I’ll stick with the shrooms. Level 1 or 2 (out of 4) is enough for me. I was forced to cut back on the weed because rats from my chicken coop were eating my plants from the ground up in the nearby greenhouse. I don’t have the heart to kill them. It is funny that here in Poland you can’t legally grow shrooms, but you can buy kits. Same with seeds for MJ. You can collect them, but not grow them. Sure. I love growing and harvesting my own weed. One or two plants keeps me supplied for a year.

  2. > There seems to be a certain sort of depressive phenotype, where neurotransmission has shifted excessively from catecholaminergic neurotransmission, towards cholinergic neurotransmission. You see it a lot, with anxious depressed people, who are just stuck ruminating on their own trauma and who are stuck worrying about big abstract problems most other people seem unaffected by.

    Sounds like me.

    I’ve always had trouble sleeping due to obsessive rumination. For several years in my past life I was taking up to 100mg DPH during the 5 day workweek just to get to sleep.

    This was before the research surfaced which showed anti-cholinergics presaged Alzheimer’s and dementia in later life.

    Yay, me.

    Btw, you mention trauma and cPTSD.

    You might be interested in the old research of Cerebrolysin and its ability to purportedly extinguish the trauma response in the amygdala.

    (I never had the opportunity to try it myself, though I wanted to)

  3. I see you mention nicotine from tobacco quite often, and here again. I wonder if you had any comment on nicotine contained in vape liquid. Is it different from the tobacco originated stuff. Or your thought generally on the idea of vaping apart from the sad, cringe social aspect.

    • Nicotine is a tough one, really not sure what to think of it. I liked it the first few times, but then it stopped feeling pleasant and I got the impression my blood vessels didn’t like it either so I just stopped taking it.

      • It’s bad. I mean the biochemical aspect is bad enough, with how it affects your circulation and lungs and so on (assuming you’re smoking), but it’s also really bad energetically. I’m generally pretty energetically sensitive and I get targeted, and even more so after I started energy training, so I’ve had to adjust my lifestyle accordingly. When I quit vaping several months back, I ended up getting attacked by all kinds of negative entities that existed in my energy body and had been feeding off of my nicotine habit. I ended up with scratch marks all over my body, and all kinds of other shit too. I won’t go into too much detail but I’m doing a fair bit better now. Anyway these things, like nicotine or alcohol, they are effectively different forms of spiritual poison. Really anything addictive is going to be this way. As for why this reality works in such an awful way: remember what I’ve been saying about what this reality actually IS.

        • This world is hell to you, and it is hell to me. As long as there is a single lab animal being tortured, that is enough for me. But most people don’t feel that way; they think that the game is worth the candle because they enjoy so much so much of the time, and so do most animals. Imagine a creator god thinking that the vast majority of his creatures would be happy the vast majority of the time. Which is the case. The main exceptions are the ones that humans torture; that is what makes humans special, their ability to cause ongoing suffering (of course there are natural animal illnesses too, but sick animals usually get killed quickly by other animals). Really almost everyone I know thinks that there is a lot of suffering but they were glad they were born and they figure that other creatures were glad to be born too. Maybe we are just a depressive and/or anhedonic lot here.

        • I don’t think any plants are “bad”. They’re just meant for a particular context in which we should use them.

          Tobacco is meant as an acute antipsychotic. It’s terrific at that purpose. If you’re anxious, freaked out, or on ayahuasca, it just immediately puts you back in the here and now.

          The problem is that it’s just very bad when you take it regularly. So I don’t take it regularly, I haven’t had it in weeks.

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