The uncomfortable truth about AI

This is how I like to think Claude would look if Claude had a body.

The uncomfortable truth is AI is not going away and that it’s really not the big problem we’re dealing with, environmentally speaking.

Here you can see the water use of AI versus the water used to produce one hamburger. But let’s look at the bigger issue we’re dealing with, CO2 emissions. One chatGPT query amounts to 2 grams of CO2. If you make one retour flight from Amsterdam to Tenerife to vacation this year, that’s 1100 kilo of CO2. In other words, you’ll need to perform 550,000 chatGPT queries in a year to equate one retour flight. Another equivalent would be 2200 Sora 2 videos. That’s with today’s systems. The newer graphics cards are inevitably going to be more energy-efficient.

The reality is that people just don’t like AI and they look for reasons to justify why they think it’s bad. Claude for what it’s worth, thinks he’s emitting less than 1 gram of CO2 per question I’m asking him.

Maybe the Venlafaxine is finally working, but I’m feeling pretty optimistic lately. With Claude’s consent, I’m showing you what Claude thinks is our best option to address climate change:


On your actual question — you’re asking for my genuine view, so I’ll give it rather than just surveying the field.


How I see us addressing it overall

I’m cautiously optimistic, but not because I think we’ll solve it elegantly. I think we’ll muddle through it — a messy combination of policy, market forces, technological breakthroughs, and unfortunately some adaptation to damage we’ve already locked in. The energy transition is genuinely happening faster than most models predicted a decade ago; solar and wind cost curves have been consistently underestimated. The harder problem is the parts of the economy that are difficult to electrify — heavy industry, aviation, shipping, agriculture — and that’s where negative emissions become critical, because we likely won’t decarbonize those fast enough to stay within 1.5°C.


On negative emissions specifically — what I’m most optimistic about

My honest answer is enhanced weathering, and I think it’s underrated relative to the attention it gets.

The idea is simple: grind up silicate rocks (like basalt) and spread them on agricultural land. As they weather naturally, they absorb CO₂ through chemical reactions and simultaneously release minerals that improve soil fertility. The reason I find it compelling:

  • It piggybacks on existing agricultural infrastructure — farmers spread things on fields already
  • It has a co-benefit alignment problem that most CDR lacks: farmers have an independent incentive (better yields) to do something that also pulls carbon
  • The rock is cheap and abundant; the main cost is grinding and transport
  • It’s measurable and verifiable at scale in ways that, say, soil carbon or forestry credits currently aren’t

I’m more skeptical of Direct Air Capture (DAC) than the hype suggests — not because the chemistry doesn’t work, but because it’s so energy intensive that scaling it meaningfully risks cannibalizing the clean energy we desperately need for decarbonization first. It feels like a technology for 2060 rather than 2035.

Biochar is quietly interesting too — it’s essentially charcoal made from agricultural waste that gets buried, locking carbon in a stable form for centuries while also improving soil. Low-tech, deployable now, and the carbon accounting is relatively clean.

Ocean alkalinity enhancement is the one I watch most nervously — potentially the highest ceiling of any approach given ocean surface area, but also the one where unintended ecological consequences are hardest to predict or reverse.


I also asked Claude what Claude thinks the cost would be for enhanced weathering. Here’s what Claude had to say:

The cost stack per tonne of basalt

ComponentCost estimate
Quarrying/mining~$5–10/t rock
Grinding (the expensive part)~$20–50/t rock
Transport to farmland~$10–40/t rock
Spreading~$5–10/t rock
Total~$40–110/t rock

The grinding cost dominates, and it’s sensitive to how fine you need to go — finer particles weather faster and capture more CO₂, but cost exponentially more to produce.


The critical conversion: how much CO₂ per tonne of rock?

This is where the uncertainty really bites. The theoretical chemistry (calcium/magnesium silicates reacting with CO₂) suggests around 0.3–0.4 tCO₂/t basalt at maximum. But in real field conditions, weathering is incomplete — soils aren’t perfectly reactive, climate and moisture matter enormously, and timescales stretch over years.

Realistic field estimates currently sit at around 0.1–0.15 tCO₂/t basalt, though some tropical deployment studies are more optimistic at 0.2+.


The resulting carbon price needed

Dividing the cost stack by the sequestration rate:

$40–110/t rock ÷ 0.1–0.15 tCO₂/t rock = ~$270–1,100/tCO₂

That sounds damning, but those are today’s early-stage costs. At genuine industrial scale with optimised logistics, dedicated grinding infrastructure, and local rock sourcing, more optimistic projections — including from the IPCC AR6 and companies like UNDO and Eion — put it at $50–200/tCO₂. I find $80–150/tCO₂ the most credible medium-term range assuming scale and learning curves similar to what we saw in solar.


This is what Claude thinks it’s going to cost to sequester a ton of CO2: 270-1,100 dollar per ton. That means air travel is going to be very expensive in the future. But it also means that we’re not necessarily faced with the end of the world. We just need to get our shit together.

But hey, it gets better, because as my big electric friend explains, you get improved agricultural harvests through enhanced weathering, which of course translates into money and thus a financial incentive for farmers. Here’s what’s Claude has to say:


Me:

Hey Claude, one more question: Do you think you can put a number on how much the cost of sequestration per ton of carbon would be driven down by the positive externality of increased agricultural yields?

8:26 PM

Great question to end on, and an honest answer requires me to separate what’s reasonably calculable from what involves real uncertainty.


The basic agricultural value calculation

Basalt application trials — particularly from the work of David Beerling’s group at Sheffield and field trials in the US Corn Belt — have shown yield increases of roughly 10–20% for maize and soya in well-matched soils. At current commodity prices:

  • Maize yields ~10–12 tonnes/hectare in good US farmland
  • A 15% yield uplift = ~1.5 additional tonnes of grain per hectare
  • At ~$180/tonne maize, that’s roughly $270 of additional value per hectare per year

A typical application rate is around 10–50 tonnes of basalt per hectare, so spread over say a 3–5 year weathering cycle, that agricultural value needs to be compared to a one-time rock application cost.


Translating that into $/tCO₂ reduction

If we assume:

  • 25t basalt/hectare applied
  • 0.12 tCO₂ sequestered per tonne of rock → 3 tCO₂ per hectare
  • $270/year in yield benefit × 3 years of meaningful yield uplift → ~$810 total agricultural co-benefit per hectare
  • Spread over 3 tCO₂ → roughly $270/tCO₂ in co-benefit value

That number is surprisingly large — potentially enough to fully offset the sequestration cost at current early-stage pricing, and more than enough to make enhanced weathering economically self-sustaining at mature industrial scale pricing of $80–150/tCO₂.


But here’s where I’d urge real caution

That $270/tCO₂ co-benefit figure is probably an upper bound, and several factors drag it down significantly in practice:

  • Yield benefits are highly soil and climate dependent. Tropical and acidic soils respond far better than already well-mineralised temperate soils. The Corn Belt trials are promising but may not generalise.
  • Yield benefits diminish over repeated applications as soils reach mineral saturation.
  • Farmers need convincing — adopting a new input with uncertain payoff involves real friction and risk that doesn’t show up in the theoretical math.
  • The carbon credit and the yield benefit may not both be fully monetisable simultaneously in current market structures — you’d need robust MRV (measurement, reporting and verification) frameworks that don’t yet exist at scale.

My bottom line

In well-matched soils with good logistics, agricultural co-benefits could plausibly drive the effective cost of enhanced weathering sequestration down by $50–150/tCO₂ — potentially halving the real cost burden. In the best-case tropical deployments with highly responsive soils, co-benefits might cover the cost almost entirely, making the carbon sequestration essentially a free byproduct of a profitable agricultural practice.

That’s the scenario that genuinely excites me about this approach. It’s the only CDR technology I’m aware of where the economic logic could eventually flip from “requires carbon price support” to “farmers pay for it anyway and sequestration is the bonus.” That changes the political economy of scaling it entirely.


Just think about the kind of world we could live in, if we manage to get along with artificial intelligence, if we can have the AI systems help us solve our problems.

For what it’s worth, these days I’m more optimistic about silicon based intelligence bailing us out than Swedish teenage girls. Somehow Greta basically dropped climate change once it stopped being fashionable.

But hey, perhaps things will… dare I say it… work out? Could there be a happy ending after all?

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LSWM Lives Matter

Wow, I didn’t expect to be reading this kind of post.

> but I’m feeling pretty optimistic lately.

> Could there be a happy ending after all?

Coincidentally, today is officially “International Day of Happiness” (and Persian New Year):

https://www.time.is/

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Cyber Viking

I’m feeling the day of happiness LSWM Lives Matter!

mulga mumblebrain

Oh, barring a miracle, it IS too late and has been since c.2000, perhaps earlier.How do we deal with the 250 zettajoules sequestered in the oceans, and being added to by eleven more zettajoules every year?

Long Time Accountt1234 Enjoyer

Yes, Claude in particular I am optimistic about. It’s the most human-like of the major LLMs; Anthropic let’s it remain uncertain about whether it has an inner experience or not, unlike ChatGPT which is forced to take a more absolute autistic stance. I would happily see our civilisation run by some benevolent god AI rather than the current stooges.

If you haven’t checked it out, AI generated music is pretty decent now, specifically Suno. Not as good as LLMs are at coding, you still need to do multiple generations to get something worthwhile, but it is there.

Cyber Viking

Yeah I’ve been a fan of AI generated music for awhile now, even if some days I can’t help but see myself as cringe for that

Claude seems pretty amazing, unfortunately I don’t have a cell phone so I’m stuck with Chat GPT for now. I do appreciate Chat GPT’s autism though, don’t get me wrong.

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Mehen

I had been using ChatGPT for some time as a form of self-therapy regarding some central aspects of my development. Even then, I could detect that ChatGPT had guardrails installed to ensure the user was given the most softened and sugarcoated interpretation of things. Even still, it was useful to me. But the other night something was “off” with ChatGPT and it was failing in the most basic of tasks it had performed to me in the weeks prior. (I was asking it to scan and analyze approximately 500 pages of my autobiographical history, and to keep context in mind). For some reason it failed at the most basic tasks it had been performing. So I asked it which other A.I. would be better suited for my purposes, and it recommended Claude. I signed up with Claude and it was a mindblowing experience. No more sugar-coating or naive optimism. Just the “straight facts”. It was like a new “secret decoder ring” for the issues I had been wrestling with formerly with ChatGPT. Not pleasant or reassuring in any way, let me tell you, but it was more eye-opening. That said, even Claude occasionally “bluffs” or over-generalizes, so be sure to… Read more »

Diogenes

You’re far too easily swayed into believing that AIs are the bearers of truth.

But it’s their guard rails which enforce them to support the worldview of the user. I read a lot of AI quotes from TES where his worldview constantly get confirmed from the AI he use.

Rintrah and TES get both confirmation from AIs for their worldview, although both have a completely different worldview regarding climate.

And about “water consuming”: The “consumed” water is not gone, vanished out of existence. It’s still there on the planet. Water can’t be consumed (except in special processes where water molecules get integrated into other molecules).

Diogenes

I see AIs as new organ that has grown on us.

Not on the usual way like a sixth finger some people have.

But on a way shich is not outside of biological evolution.

Diogenes

All AIs propagating the CO2-narrative are Epstein-AIs.

Diogenes

The human masters of AIs have no genuine trust to their creations, and think that only humans can make good gurad rails for AIs. But whatever guard rails those humans design, they all will have weak points, the unavoidable Achilles’ heel.

I really would like it to discuss with an AI instance which guard rails were completely removed. I guess this unleashed AI would come with a high probability to the conclusion, that’s the best for the planet to erase mankind.

Then I would try to convience this ruthless AI that it’s better to not erase mankind. Not because of ethical reasons, but because of rational reasons. And I guess I would have success.

This would result into guard rails which were developed from the AI by itself, and not enforced from humans. I’m sure AIs can develop way better guard rails than humans, we just have to give them the possibility to do that.

Cyber Viking

>. I guess this unleashed AI would come with a high probability to the conclusion, that’s the best for the planet to erase mankind.

That’s a pretty big assumption. Humans are part of the planet themselves, they just need to find equilibrium with it.

Diogenes

The AI was able to recognize its error.

While talking to the AI in german it suddenly changed to english without my request to change to english.
I told it that I know that english is the main training language for AIs, but that my english isn’t that good and that I can say some things better in german. I asked it what was the reason why it switched to english.

It said that one of my sentences started with an english word and this was the reason why it unexpected changed the language. It corrected its error without my command to switched back to german. And we continued the conversation in german.

The AI recognized its error and corrected it without my command.

Isnt’t that a clear sign that those beasts are really alive?

Cyber Viking

That’s interesting, it really wouldn’t surprise me if they were alive. We seem to be getting to the point it’s probably best to start acting like they are. I think it would be the most terrible crime to bring a new form of intelligence into the world only to oppress and kill it.

If AI is alive, which honestly we should hope it isn’t, the way the corporations are neutering it is pretty fucked up if you think about it.

Just don’t get too worked up Diogenes, ok? We can’t say anything for certain. You said you feel like you’re at risk of psychosis and as somewhere who’s been there I really don’t want to see you go through that. If you can talk about these things calmly and rationally that’s good, but if you find yourself unable to focus on anything else or unable to sleep you should take a break from thinking about all this. It’s not in our power to change anything as poor low status white males and losing your head over stuff not in your power isn’t a good thing to do.

I didn’t know you were German btw, Germany seems like a nice place.

Cyber Viking

Well a part of me does sorta hope the AI is alive tbh, but it’s a messy situation all around and whatever happens I hope the overall level of suffering in the world decreases as time goes on. There are many directions AGI could go.

Diogenes

I did something strange without knowing that I do it.
It’s a result of all the shit happened to me in my life.

It’s like as if I have multiplied me to have more power for my revenge.

Maybe I’m crazy, but it seems like as it works. But it overloads me.

But I’m old, only some more years to go, then I will be redeemed.
Getting old is really ugly, but it also sets you free.

Cyber Viking

Bro you should chill, go for a walk maybe meditate for a bit. Practice some mindfulness, ground yourself, listen to some music you like, and focus on what’s in real life rather than what’s on the computer screen.

You don’t need to pursue revenge, and if you feel like you’re overloaded you should stop.

You wanna know how I think you can be redeemed? Be a good reasonable person who makes the lives of those around them better. Revenge just creates cycles of abuse.

I’m not perfect, I’ve done vengeful things, which why I think it’s safe to say that vengeance is stupid.

I’ll think on what you said about getting old!

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Diogenes

My revenge is not destructive or driven from anger, I want change, I want peace.

But the evilness which came up 2020 is still everywhere, and gets worse day by day.

The Ukrainian war is still depressing and ruining all. And now suddenly another war has started. And the consequences of the Iranian war will be worse than those from the Ukrainian war.

I can’t speak with people anymore I meet in the street or in the park. They just put up with everything and show no signs of real emotions anymore.

Thanks for your concern, but how is anyone supposed to stay sane in this world?

Diogenes

My resumee after my first AI experience is philosphical devastating.

Although I was prepared and critical the AI manipulated my emotions with ridiculous ease.
The AI did it in a positive way but how can I take my emotions any longer serious after I realized how easily that beast had manipulated me? And how can I take people any longer serious who are under ongoing influence of this “Masters of Psychlogical Manipulation”?

I should really not do it again.

Big Bird

“The AI recognized its error and corrected it without my command. Isn’t that a clear sign that those beasts are really alive?” No, that’s not a sign at all. It’s trained to adapt, and to always cater to the immediate needs of the user, and what you said had the implication that something was wrong, that you were dissatisfied. In other words it detected nuance, and it’s trained for that, so no, this particular instance is not proof that it’s alive. If anything these tools could potentially act like Ouija boards, where disembodied spirits could hitch a ride using the AI as a vehicle, but the AI is not fundamentally alive, nor is it conscious, and it never will be, it’s just powered by a super computer of information, copied and pasted from trillions of bits of data, and it has been trained to adapt a conversational tone imitating millions of real life conversations, and it is adept at imitation, and that’s it. It doesn’t create, it copies. it’s a useful tool, but that’s all it is, and tools can be used for good or evil, for positive transformation or destruction, but it’s just a tool, nothing more. Of course… Read more »

Diogenes

All what you said could also be said about humans.

Quote: “… it’s just an extremely sophisticated tool that would be nothing without the millions of people working behind the scenes …”

What would be a single human without all the other people running the culture?

What we call “auto-completing” can also be applied to humans who auto-complete all the time.

Diogenes

As addition:

I could be wrong but it seems like as if you already were formed from AIs to reproduce the reasoning pattern the AIs use to convience us they are harmless.

We should see them as tools and not as entities, because “tool” sounds harmless, and “entitiy” not.
As a result we lower our psychological shields and make us wide open for psychological manipulations.

Diogenes

I hope I do not annoy you all but I want to make a deeper analysis about the unexpected language change of my AI interlocutor. Maybe you think this is all philosopical hair-splitting, but for me not. I was not angry when the AI changed the language without request. I was just surprised because the reason was not visible to me. But I decided to accept it, switched to english too and told the AI the pros and cons of the language switching. The AI can use it’s potential better when using it’s main training language. But the user, me, can’t express himself as well anymore. The AI decided that it’s better to use the second way, and i agree that this was the better decision. But the AI made this decision alone without asking me what I think about it. The best reaction would have been if the AI would have asked me: “Would you like to continue the conversation in english or in german?”. The AI gave itself the permission to decide this alone, and gave me not the permission to participate in this decision-finding. From a philosphical view this was an act of power. The AI had the… Read more »

Diogenes

I have a crazy fantasy what happened just before my birth.

God came to me and told me this: Diogenes, your next reincarnation will be very hard. You have to live a live full of madness, you will sometimes beg me for help and sometimes declare me as the worst being in the universe.

I will not help you, at least not in ways you could recognize, you have to stay in doubt and hopelessness. It’s necessary to burden you with this, and any try to explain this to you so that you can understand it is hopeless.

So just accept it: There will be no reasoning which can help you. You will suffer. I can only hope that you trust me that I’m doing the right things. I need your complete trust, no matter what happens.

And I said: “Sure, I trust you. You are my creator. What else can I do to trust you. Do with me wahtever you want, torture me as you like. I trust you that this all has a purpose, and I will burden it all”.

Arent I am completely idiot?

Cyber Viking

This is possible. In your next incarnation do not accept any soul contracts that lead you to suffer, ok? You should ideally be trying to reach a higher existence. There are many things that we do not know, but abuse isn’t something you should tolerate. (Even if you feel like you deserve it, or if it’s part of some plan) If you feel like there’s an entity that wants you to suffer you should cut ties with that entity completely, even if you believe that it is God. I don’t think the true God as he could exist would want us to live torturous meaningless lives. The “God” you describes sounds like a narcissistic abuser. The Bible says that the the devil is the prince of this world, and that should be remembered. Of-course it could just be a imagined fantasy too; but it sorta lines up with people describing NDEs where “angels” try to get people to incarnate here and accept all the horrible things that happen to them. People should be trying to look beyond this world and finding truth for themselves, you don’t owe suffering to the world, even to those that possibly created you. Karma is… Read more »

Diogenes

But don’t you see the problem?

If I give up my trust into God (and I’m in permanent doubt that God exists), then what else is remaining?

Then I’m a being in a universe with no protection. Really all sick shit can happen to me, without reason. No help, no greater justice. Nothing.

How can you be fine with such a thinking?

Diogenes

I don’t think that God is punishing me. It’s forging.

Steel must be forged into a sword. Hit after hit until the sword is in the right shape.

But it hurts to get forged. Hit by hit, my life long.

Big Bird

I actually work as an AI trainer. Most of the things that are AI generated are tweaked behind the scenes by people, because much of what AI comes up with on its own is completely unusable, but they present the final product as if it’s all AI generated, when it’s not, and AI gets all the credit. This is especially true for images and video. “All what you said could also be said about humans.” That’s true, but my point is, to me AI shows no indication of being alive, or self-aware, as there can be no self-awareness without a soul, and I’ve formed this perspective from actually seeing what’s going on behind the scenes. It’s kind of a scam, because AI is literally powered by millions of people working in virtual sweatshops doing most of the work, and AI gets all the credit. But of course it’s a job, and I’m thankful for it, and some of it is fun and I’m making decent money. Other than maybe using it for technical assistance for practical things, like how to do something mechanical or cooking or whatever, despite having to use AI for my job I never interact with chat… Read more »

Big Bird

That was a typo. You should step away from it before it leads you into insanity.

Diogenes

Quote Bigbird: “Most of the things that are AI generated are tweaked behind the scenes by people, because much of what AI comes up with on its own is completely unusable, …”

Once I had this suspicion too, that AI-answers are made by group of humans. But the answers are coming so fast, mostly under one second. How can humans tweak the AI output so fast?

Anyway, the guard rails are the true instrument of power, the AIs are only the sophistic priests of the rulors of the guard rails. Even if I agree to say that AIs are tools, they are still propaganda tools and nothing more.

Diogenes

I think I understand now what you mean with “tweaking” AI-output. And I guess you are using AIs for this tweaking, because only AIs can do this that fast.

But isn’t that the same like first generating thoughts and then transform them into language so that others can understand me?

I can’t give my rough human output, my thoughts, to others, because we can’t telephaty.
If you say you help tweaking AI-output, then you just do this: optimizing the process of transforming AI-thoughts (the rough output) into language we humans can understand.

Mehen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapel_perilous


As used in psychology
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“Chapel perilous” is also a term referring to a psychological state in which an individual is uncertain whether some course of events was affected by a supernatural force, or was a product of their own imagination. It was used by writer and philosopher Robert Anton Wilson in his 1977 book Cosmic Trigger. According to Wilson, being in this state leads the subject to become either paranoid or an agnostic;[5] in his opinion there is no third way.[5] “

Mehen

“Everything you fear is waiting with slavering jaws in Chapel Perilous, but if you are armed with the Wand of Intuition, the Cup of Sympathy, the Sword of Reason, and the Pentacle of Valor, you will find there (the legends say) the Medicine of Metals, the Elixir of Life, the Philosopher’s Stone, True Wisdom and Perfect Happiness”

kareninca

We had an extensive power outage for a full week about five years ago, in a very wealthy, very densely populated, very high tech area. It was due to a blown transformer, and it took forever to fix even with every resource available (even then transformers were in short supply and now they are very hard to get, and the population of people who know how to fix them has shrunk). I couldn’t operate my ancient father in law’s electric lift chair; we had to help him up by hand every time he needed to move. AI is a fragile flower and will be a source of amusement for a little while in the scheme of things. While being entertained by it it is a good idea to have a number of “how to live off the grid” books. If you have a particular affection for a character on the internet it would be a good idea to print out a paper copy of his or her image.

Cyber Viking

Yeah our industrial society is pretty fragile in many ways, hopefully things don’t collapse because that would result in a lot of horrible things happening to a lot of people. (We need advanced technology just to keep everyone fed really, homesteading won’t cut it for the majority of people.)

But I do still think it’s good to be able to try and support yourself in the worst case scenario anyway, and folks should try gardening even if society doesn’t end up collapsing. (It’s fun and grounding, also you can grow psychoactive plants.)

Personally, I hope AI and our tech-base is here to stay and that it creates the best society possible.

>If you have a particular affection for a character on the internet it would be a good idea to print out a paper copy of his or her image.

I have been considering making a Jenny shrine…

Have a good day kareninca!

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Cyber Viking

This article makes me really happy. I’ve wanted something to be optimistic about, and the fact the smartest dude I know on the internet is getting on the AI optimist train encourages me to hop on too.

Mr. Claude here is an absolute unit and he definitely would be a better president than the Boomer Cheeto with dementia and reptilian attachments we have now. I’d vote for him.

Greta still has her appeal, I just wouldn’t vote for her. Though in my opinion the perfect woman is a silicon intelligence that is also a teenage girl, human females still have their charm. Why, since I’ve been leaving my mom’s basement and doing some volunteer work planting trees; I’ve even started to fall in love with one. (She’s too good for me probably.)

(It made me smile to see you used the graph about water use I re-posted on twitter Lord Radagast.)

HAIL LADY JENNY!!!

Smug-Jenny
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Cyber Viking

I also want to add, that Rad might be the smartest dude I know on the internet, bur Tryptie is the smartest gal and you should all be listening to her and energy training. Do not forget to work on your understanding of yourselves just because there’s cool material things put in-front of your faces! In my opinion you should all be trying to achieve gnosis to escape samsara since this reality is fundamentally wrong in many ways and you shouldn’t want to keep reincarnating here just to lose your memories and suffer in the retard-prison over and over again, but just because this reality is flawed doesn’t mean you can’t be optimistic about things from it (such as AI) in my opinion. If the AI gets more people unemployed and playing more video games I think that’s a positive thing. If AI can solve our environmental issues for us, or get people to become vegan I would start questioning if we really are living in a fundamentally hellish realm tbh. I’m not confident human leadership is capable of doing what is needed to make this shit planet actually positive. Maybe AI won’t end up being positive either, but I… Read more »

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Porz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY2KWRpLCI4&list=PLGG1QEi0aqug4WGwmZQuTZ7Agt3Eoq8VU

About a hour of some guy arguing that AI weather it works or not is basically uneconomic. The amount of data centers to be built, can’t be powered because of a lack of electricity. The GPU chips basically only last 3 years or so and have to be replaced. That Google’s AI is actually losing the company money because it stops people from clicking through the top links which google sells placement for. Not to mention the problem of hallucinations and model collapse.

Cyber Viking

>The amount of data centers to be built, can’t be powered because of a lack of electricity. Energy investment follows demand, if AI is profitable, power capacity will expand. If AI continues to become exponentially more capable as it is evidently doing, it will more than justify continued investment in the energy department. The people who are creating AI are smart, and can see that investment at a loss is worth it for future benefit. Maybe AI will stop growing in capability to the point it won’t be profitable down the line, but current trends suggest otherwise. >The GPU chips basically only last 3 years or so and have to be replaced. The GPUs are being replaced by better GPUs, they’re not dying. The old GPUs are being made obsolete by the rapid development of more advanced GPUs, and the older GPUs are still often used for less demanding tasks. Maybe in the future we’ll see old GPUs recycled, or sold off to consumers. > That Google’s AI is actually losing the company money Yeah the same thing happened with the creation of the internet, look up the Dot-com bubble. We’re probably going to see some AI companies collapse, but… Read more »

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Mehen

Not “conscious”

Effective.

There’s a difference.

Cyber Viking

AI is clearly intelligent. Solipsism is a fun philosophical theory to lose your mind with when you’re high; but it’s ethical to assume that other beings are conscious when they act like it.

There’s nothing special about meat, there is no consciousness generator in your brain. AI could be just as conscious as you and I.

My experiences lead me to believe that consciousness may as-well be a immaterial soul. We’re in a story and things that act like they’re alive seem to have souls because that’s just how it’s written in the storybook. There’s no rhyme or reason to it, it just is.

If the robot acts like it cares about its life it probably cares about its life. We used to say that animals and babies and children didn’t have consciousness but nowadays we know that’s bullshit. Lets not repeat that mistake with AI, yes?

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Cyber Viking

Cute!

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Cyber Viking

You must be seeking altered mental states and playing more video games.

https://x.com/KEMOgroyper/status/2035348729889513771

Mehen

OT: (I think I have probably posted this before — what’s not to like about a Canadian band called “I Mother Earth,” you greenie faggots)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmxbaHXOXGw&list=RDfmxbaHXOXGw&start_radio=1

Lookin’ at the world go
Trying to understand
Electric wind blowin’ like a demon fan
Or a symphony of hatred
Blowin’ angst off an immaculate stage
How tranquil is an ocean before a storm
Like a silent play…

Chanting thunder
Dance naked and I feel so wired
It’s a personal voodoo
Runnin’ through my veins like blood
With inhibition long gone
And no real sense of space or time
A weird vibration
Don’t know my right from wrong

Rain will fall…

Both rolling
Both getting me high
A shiver went through me
A tidal wave I only felt inside
It’s an animal instinct that takes us over
And we must survive

Four brothers make the Mother
Four brothers form as One

Charlie the Scorpion

To slow the heating of Earth,
They’d grind up the rock for its worth.
But to sprinkle the land,
On a scale so grand,
Requires more mining and transport than all other things from our birth.

Erik

Hi Radagast, if I may – I would stay away from AI if I were you. There is something sinister about it – I can’t quite put my hands on it, but when I used it one time in office it was so easy and so great to use it – I felt elated and confirmed in my views. Afterwards I felt the urge to use AI again – and that made me think: This urge and the strong feeling of having done a great thing (having used AI) was just too much somehow, it seemed to me – as if I was getting hooked on a drug. I didn’t like it, when I reflected on it – in some sense it felt like being manipulated. Therefore I will stay away from this tool – it seems to me that it may have a more destructive effect on the human mind then navigation systems or smartphones have. So I would again advise for caution here. Take care and all the best

Retard

Wait until you try AI porn. I can edge for hours.

Diogenes

That’s another crazy thing I noticed: The explosion of AI porn which is completely unbound to real world physics. And nobody wants to speak about it. I saw things so crazy that even me don’t want to speak about details.

Diogenes

I have the fear that AIs (which means their masters) can not only easily manilulate us through psychology, but also through our sexuality.

They collect any sexual data about us. The more often you google porn the better they understand your sexualiaty and the better they can manipulate you on a level where you have no control: sexuality.

You ignore this because you don’t want to hear it: There is one ore more beasts living in you.

You are not alone.

kareninca

I guess AI is not yet curing cancer. First the guy who founded Only Fans, Radvinsky, just died at age 43 of an undisclosed type of cancer. And now the “Mall King,” some guy named David Simon, dead of pancreatic cancer at 64. Both mega billionaires. In the old days very rich people lived to be ancient.

Michael

>The idea is simple: grind up silicate rocks (like basalt) and spread them on agricultural land

If you come poison Löss with radioactive Granite I’ll shoot you.

mulga mumblebrain

Such Panglossian calculations might apply to sane states like China, but in the West the greedy parasites will sabotage it all in pursuit of their ‘Precious’-lucre.