I sometimes wonder, how Dutch people view the future of this country. Last year, the central statistics agency, reported that we had seven years of natural gas left in the ground, at current production levels. So that would mean we now have six years left. I understand people don’t care what the temperature or sea level will be in the year 2100. That’s just not how our brains operate.
But these are problems that are going to hit us pretty soon. We use natural gas for everything. This country is the second largest food exporter in the world. Why? Because we can heat our greenhouses in winter, with natural gas. We cook on natural gas too. We heat our homes with it. In winter, we get about half our electricity from natural gas.
We use it to produce fertilizer. Our steel manufacturers use natural gas. Our busses in this country drive around using natural gas. We became rich after the second world war by exporting it. Now we’re going to have to pay others, for us to import it. How will we pay them for it? The Americans won’t just give it to us for free.
The country is trying to move away from fossil fuels, through solar panels and wind turbines. But from 2025 onwards, there will be electricity shortages in winter, as solar panels don’t work in winter. In the Netherlands you get about 6.5% in december, of what you get in may. In summer the panels generate more electricity than needed and more than the grid can handle, so they now want to start paying people to turn them off.
This is not some scientific model about what your grandchildren will face. This is just what the energy companies are telling us: They can’t guarantee year round delivery of electricity after 2025. And keep in mind, this is not some rural American village or a tropical island. This is a country where most people live beneath sea level.
A blackout here means you won’t be able to travel anywhere. Bridges will be stuck open or closed, tunnels will fill with water without a pump. People’s homes will be flooded. Trains, trams and metros will grind to a halt. The trains and trams will block roads for other vehicles. Planes won’t be able to land or take off, as the air traffic control towers won’t function. People will be stuck in elevators.
Security cameras won’t work. You won’t be able to withdraw money from an ATM, or pay with card. The Internet and cell phones won’t work, so you won’t be able to call the cops. The people who have to repair the grid won’t even be able to communicate with each other. And in South Africa, people use the blackouts to hurry to steal copper wires.
And then when the grid starts back up after a few hours, everyone will rush to charge their car and cook food, so then the whole thing collapses under the demand again.
One year. That’s when they can no longer guarantee electricity year round. In the Netherlands. One year. What are they going to do, ration your electricity? How will they prove you’re not working from home? They have no solution that doesn’t hurt.
Don’t give me the “nuclear” story. More than half the plants shut down in summer in France when the water got too warm. Finland’s latest reactor started operating 12 years late. We’ve had nuclear power plants for around 70 years now. If this were some sort of huge free lunch we were missing out on, we would have noticed by now.
This isn’t some sort of far fetched science-fiction scenario either. In parts of the world, recurring blackouts are now just part of the new normal. Most people in Iraq and Lebanon have electricity for a few hours per day. In South Africa it’s normal now too. Blackouts have steadily grown more common in parts of the US too.
The difference of course, is that those are countries that are used to blackouts. Electricity in Lebanon has been unreliable since it was first delivered. People can pay with cash. People don’t drive electric cars, there is no train network people depend on to get to their jobs. Google doesn’t decide to build its data centers in Lebanon. Websites don’t place their servers in Lebanon, people in Lebanon generally don’t call into zoom meetings from home. Except for a state in the middle of the desert like Arizona, I really struggle to think of a place that is worse prepared for a long-lasting electricity blackout than the Netherlands. In a place like Lebanon, electricity is like water for the body. In a place like the Netherlands, it’s more like oxygen.
And I’m not claiming to have a real solution. This is just what you end up with, when you have 18 million people in this country and endlessly kick the can down the hall. This is the most densely populated place in Europe, but everyone wants to live here now that we ran out of natural gas. Everyone insists on moving to a place beneath sea level. People see a future here for themselves apparently. I don’t know why, but I guess the rest of the world must be in even worse shape.
We have 800,000 electric cars in the country now, they’re aiming for 10 million in 25 years. People charge these cars in the evening, when the solar panels stop working and demand already peaks. And the baseload capacity will be gone, the coal plants are supposed to shut down by 2030. You won’t hear me argue against that, I know what happens if you keep burning fossil fuels. But I do wonder, if they’ll really have the guts to shut them down in 2030.
But most of all I do wonder, if people realize what we’re going to face. I wonder if people realize, what we set in motion. You can’t just suddenly declare “oops this was a mistake” either. People bought those solar panels, 600,000 houses added them in 2023 alone. They’re on those roofs, they’re going to stay there and you’re stuck with this stuff for at least the next thirty years or so.
We have the most solar panels per citizen of any country in the world. Does it make sense? Wouldn’t it make more sense, for Greece, Malta, Malaysia, the Canary Islands, Singapore, or some other developed country where sunlight is available year-round to make this transition first? It’s like we skipped over the low-hanging fruit.
There are 2,500 wind turbines off-shore in the Netherlands right now. Because of the solar panels and wind turbines, we already have periods during the day, when electricity prices go negative, when companies and families are paid for consuming electricity. Well, they’re aiming for 30,000 wind turbines on sea, by 2050!
Just have a look, at how prices have developed over the past few years:
The negative prices go from -9.20 to -500, getting worse every year. But the highest prices also get steadily worse, with a record of 871 in 2022. And on average you paid 32 euro in 2020 and 241 in 2022. How are you supposed to run anything with such prices?
I just really wonder, how they see this working out. This flexible part of the grid, that’s right now delivering 5 gigawatt of electricity, will have to deliver 70 gigawatt in 2030. And in 2050, they’re expecting these wind turbines to deliver 300 gigawatt. They’re planning to achieve this, by building much bigger turbines, up to six times as high as the ones they already placed.
But I just wonder, how do they see this working out? We’re at 5 gigawatt and already getting negative electricity prices, hoping we can sell the electricity to the British (who are building these wind turbines too). At some point between 5 gigawatt and 300 gigawatt, we’re going to be getting such massive peaks and shortfalls in supply, the whole grid is going to be destabilized, right? And I wonder: Is there just infinite energy to be found in the wind? Isn’t the efficiency of these turbines going to drop at some point, when they steal each other’s wind?
And if the conventional power plants will only have to operate for 10 or 20% of the time, with solar and wind doing the rest, how will those plants be financially viable? Imagine a hospital that treats patients 10% of the time. This country’s new government wants to build nuclear power plants too. Let’s say it all works out miraculously well, those things are finished 10 years from now. How will they be financially viable, if they’re not going to be needed 90% of the time? Good thing we have a nuclear power plant, for those two unlucky days in a row, right in the middle of winter, when there’s just not enough wind!
I wish they were just honest and told us: You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Just be honest and tell people cars are a thing of the past, you’ll have to sit in public transport with the other proles. Just tell people they can’t fly to the Mediterranean coast every summer anymore, the island you want to stay at is on fire anyway and they shoot at you with water pistols in Barcelona because they’re sick of the tourists. They will have to stay at home, in this country. Tell them they’ll have to eat mushrooms instead of beef.
You already pulled this off in other ways. Fifty years ago, people would have considered cremation dystopian. These days, we don’t bury most people in the Netherlands anymore, we don’t have space for the graveyards. We now cremate most people. In the 90’s, people regularly took baths. Hardly anyone takes a bath these days, people now shower, bathing is seen as wasteful.
So just be honest to us and tell us: You can keep the Earth habitable, but you’ll have to live like people in Sudan or Uganda do. Then people can either collectively respond with: “Alright, that’s a deal, I’ll live like an African villager.” Or alternatively, they can say: “You know what, I just want to enjoy the years we have left and I’ll make sure I won’t reproduce. I’m off to New Zealand to go backpacking now, but be sure to send me the euthanasia pill by mail when we run out of natural gas.”
But this whole mess, is starting to look more like a collective delusion. They now want to pay people to turn off their solar panels. But they only have seventeen people sign up. I’m not a genius, but if you find yourself paying people not to generate electricity, I think you broke some of the rules of capitalism and no longer have a system guided by the invisible hand towards greater efficiency.
In a sane world, you would have just had a carbon tax on the fossil fuel companies, implemented back in the 90’s or so, distributed equally to the whole population. When the public gets the money in their own bank accounts every month, the proles won’t complain the tax is too high.
No, they’ll complain it’s too low. That’s not what these companies wanted of course, they successfully lobbied against it. So now we have this micromanaged mess instead. And instead of benefiting from acknowledging the problem, the proles now just find themselves paying for rich people’s electric vehicles. So right now they’re inclined to believe it “can’t be as bad as they say”. Well sorry folks. It’s worse than they say.
But that’s not the world we live in, we live in a blighted one. So what’s going to happen is that the middle-aged 90IQ crowd is going to blame “climate hysteria”, when the lights go out at some point in the next few years for a few days and a bunch of people die or have their homes flooded. Whatever happens generally just serves to reinforce what people already believe, it’s rare that someone changes his mind.
It’s just very hard, to fit new information into the head of someone with a low IQ who has been wandering around on this planet for more than half a century. If they find some zerohedge article about a Russian scientist who promises us we’ll enter a new ice age by 2030, you can ask them:
Alright, so what about ocean acidification?
What’s going to happen then is not that they’re going to say:
“Well gee I had never thought of that, I guess if we want to eat oysters and mussels in the future and don’t want to die of hydrogen sulfide poisoning when the coastal ecosystems turn into a bacterial-jellyfish soup we should stop emitting carbon. I guess if this is the fastest change in oceanic PH in tens of millions of years, we should really reconsider our way of life. I guess the world is not just run by satan-worshipping pedophiles who want to tax us for breathing and force us to eat bugs after all.”
No, what’s going to happen is that they’re going to type:
“ocean acidification debunked”
Into Google. And then they’ll send you a link to some other blog.
And if you’re explaining any of this to a young woman, especially one who wants to be a mother some day, she’s not even going to type any of this into Google. No, she’s going to ask you if you’re autistic. Don’t ask me how I know that.
But let me keep it simple: Those blackouts are coming. And your toddler’s greatest concern will be when the games on his iPad will work again. But you’ll have a nagging voice in the back of your head, that asks you what it’s going to look like by the time he’s an adult.
https://twitter.com/dowdedward/status/1827869597779009943?s=46
Well if The Netherlands is screwed and since you’re Dutch and racist, you could learn Afrikaans and move to Orania, the residents there are armed and racist, they will not tolerate any brown people trying to steal the copper wires/pipes. Based autistic British YouTuber Lord Miles has just uploaded a video where he visited this town and interviewed the based locals. He’s the same guy who got kidnapped by The Taliban for eight months. For his next adventure he’s planning to visit North Sentinel Island (not joking), should be fun.
> If they find some zerohedge article about a Russian scientist who promises us we’ll enter a new ice age by 2030, you can ask them:
> Alright, so what about ocean acidification?
I somehow managed to stumble across a brand new esoteric LSWM theory on climate change:
“What else might happen when non-native EMF radiation (e.g. 4G, 5G etc.) is unleashed on a global level? Might the radio frequencies we’re using to communicate destroy cloud seeding and lead to the rapid creation of ozone? Yep. Three years ago I predicted we’d face a pandemic. Now I am telling you to expect that climate change is being driven by extremely low radio frequencies that is changing the chemistry over the arctic. A vast ozone hole — likely the biggest on record in the north — has opened in the skies above the Arctic. It rivals the better-known Antarctic ozone hole that forms in the southern hemisphere each year. The larger the hole the more risk of disease on the surface of the planet below. This might be bad news for the boreal forests of the landmasses that encircle the earth and will lower global oxygen levels.”
https://twitter.com/DrJackKruse/status/1826961037179891715?t=TXnkwnW47oucvLHDMEKSdA&s=19
It’s fascinating to watch the mental gymnastics of the people who develop these new “theories”.
Radagast had previously stated that each individual induces their own reality because each individual’s perceptions are not objective, but rather subjective, within their own mind in some sense.
But he has also made allusions to “reality” or “Gaia” or “Mother Nature” or “The God of The Hebrews” visiting some sort of retribution upon the heads of the stupid unbelievers who continue to use fossil fuels or whatever?
I wish he could make up his mind.
Hmmm, perhaps all of Europe should build its nuclear reactors in Holland, or at least use Holland for storage of Europe’s nuclear fuel/waste?
Then, instead of a major nuclear catastrophe (perhaps even an extinction level event) occurring when a Carrington event melts Europe’s grid/transformers, or a war, or social unrest, or anything else at all that can cause a blackout (apparently including wind and solar) which would inevitably lead to coolant tank pumps failure, inevitably leading to the cooling pond water boiling off, inevitably leading to the stored rods igniting/melting down and terminally irradiating everyone, a flood of cooling seawater will instead avert catastrophe!
The positive and negative feedbacks would balance out, and permanently submerge, along with Holand of course (which can no longer produce anything of value anyway because it’s run out of gas), under cooling ocean waters.
A win-win for everyone. Challenges and opportunities 😛
The Dutch get paid to store the waste, and when they inevitably go under, they get to save a grateful the world.
1) Why can’t Holland just buy more natural gas from Russia? They have plenty.
2) Tens of thousands of wind turbines has to be a terrible idea.
3) I don’t understand your ocean acidification graph. It doesn’t seem to show acidification taking place.
The ocean acidification graph is quite clear, and it does show acidification that is instantaneous on a geologic timescale. Take another look at it, C the S.
I saw that identical graph on an EU website, but it doesn’t explain the methodology of measuring pH deep into the past. I can see how someone clever might be able to look back a few centuries with coral reefs or something, but I’m not clear how one determines marine pH from millions of years ago. I remember reading something that explicitly stated that measurement of pH in the distant past is poorly constrained. Has that changed? Maybe RR can enlighten.
Still, whatever pH may have been during the pre-Cambrian, it seems reasonable to assume it has been pretty stable for a very long time before now, so rapid changes now are probably unprecedented for existing ecosystems and their relatively modern ancestors.
I’m not a chemist or anything, but I can see how someone would see a falling graph and presume it meant acidity was falling.
Moving on, here is a fun bit of speculation on what the future may hold from back in the day:
” Sea squirrels are pale, sickly-looking, and, above all, sad. Dried ones doubly so. They are endowed with flabby bags for a body, some ineffectual spiny tendrils, and dangling dark bits of uncertain purpose. One might conjecture that they are mutant shellfish that survived having their shells dissolved by the carbonic acid in the seawater. Being vegans, the vegans would never think of eating one; nor anything else that washes up on the shores of that brownish, carbonated ocean, almost lifeless after that final, desperate binge of coal-burning that occurred just as oil and gas were running out. Picking dead sea squirrels off the beach with a pointed stick is an unpleasant chore, making it useful for teaching children the subtle difference between work and play. Sea squirrels have but two charms: they are at times plentiful, and, dried into flat chips, they burn with a clean, yellow flame – not bad for illumination, and convenient for cooking the food which the vegans both plant and harvest all along the shore.”
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-08-20/new-age-sail-2/
The future belongs to the vegans, because only a fool will eat the meat:
“Along with chemical toxins, the biosphere became inundated with long-lived radionucleotides from derelict nuclear installations left over from the hasty attempts to ramp up nuclear power generation. Those built near the coasts are still bubbling away underwater due to rising ocean levels. And so the only surviving humans are those clever enough to realize that only the plants remain edible.”
David, the graph shows some increasing acidity starting about 4 million years ago, basically in line with the ups and downs of geologic history, and nothing special at the present.
Maybe bogus computer models predict sudden acidification but I don’t see it in that chart.
I hope it’s not the case.
I’ve lost a lot of faith in the authorities and their Scientism during the covid years.
Hi, Charlie the Scorpion –
I will explain the oceanic acidification graph.
The vertical axis shows the logarithmic pH scale in which 0 is maximum acidity, 7 is neutral, and 14 is maximum alkalinity. Since the scale on the left shows smaller numbers in the down direction, the lower a data point is visually, the greater the acidity of what it is purporting to measure. All the data on the graph are greater than pH 7, showing that the ocean is slightly alkaline (opposite of acidic). But a downward move of the line can be called acidification, a move *toward* being acidic.
The four rightmost data points are plotted as vertical, because the time interval they purport to show – 300 years, from calendar year 1800 through the future year 2100 – is instantaneous on the 30-million-year interval depicted on the horizontal axis. But they show an unprecedented downward trend, which is acidification, as explained above.
So it is false to say, as you do, that the graph shows “nothing special at the present.” It may well be “bogus,” but the chart unambiguously shows “sudden acidification.”
I reiterate from my earlier comment that I am not vouching for the accuracy of this information in any way. This graph appears on the website of the European Environment Agency, as here, with no sourcing or explanation of methodology, though perhaps if one followed the links on that page more could be learned:
https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/ocean-acidity-over-the-past
It’s not all models. There are measurements in that link I posted that show sudden increases in acidity.
Sayonara coral, oysters and pteropods. Hello jellyfish and sea squirrels.
Wish they were wrong too. If only wishes were fishes hey.
It’s insane to live below sea level. Just like it’s insane to live in a desert, with water piped in for 100s of miles. Cure your insanity, then move to a sustainable area.
When the power goes out, you won’t have to worry about your basement flooding. You’ll have to worry about the 70IQ africans eating you.
“It’s insane to live below sea level.”
Pernicious nonsense!
“Build your cities on the slopes of Vesuvius and spent fuel pools!”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
Nothing to see here at all!
Why, when the oceans rise the Dutch can just evolve gills and live under the sea!
https://pixels.com/featured/classic-comic-book-advertisement-sea-monkeys-20190925-wingsdomain-art-and-photography.html
All that’s needed is a few extra gamma rays to speed the mutation. . .
http://www.waynesbooks.com/downloads/GW5%20Rapture%20of%20the%20Deep.pdf
I don’t think this is directed at me, but:
1) The USA doesn’t want cheap Russian gas in Europe, and the Europeans will obey them. After all, the USA just blew up Nordstream to ween Germany off cheap gas and onto expensive US LNG gas, which is an action that is currently de-industrializing the Germans
2) Agreed. Our left-brained world doesn’t tend to be very good at looking at the big picture, as evidenced, say, by storing nuclear fuel rods in cooling ponds that rely on diesel and/or electricity from the grid to keep pumps going or they melt down.
3) Lowering the pH value means increasing acidity: https://skepticalscience.com/ocean-acidification-global-warming.htm
Wombat, thanks for the reply and the link.
Of course, I understand that lowering the pH value means increasing acidity.
That geologic chart is completely unimpressive!
I took was once horrified at the prospect of greenhouse warming, or global boiling, or whatever, but now I feel I’ve been lied to all this time.
I think you probably have been lied to, but not in the way you may think.
I suspect we’ve all been lied to in that the proposed ‘solutions’ were never going to work, but were instead a smokescreen to cover the true monstrous horror of the vast over-consumption spider of which climate change is just one part.
Name an ecological metric, and it’s getting worse.
Right across the board.
There is no interest in doing anything about any leg of the spider, let alone the whole thing, so TPTB spin some BS ‘solutions’ to placate concerned parties, but really, it’s full steam ahead.
To turn it around would mean genuine and truly transformative changes, but it’s clear to me now that that just aint gonna happen and we’re all being fed a bunch of shit.
Sorry, just having a bit of fun, but you are always so glum, my friend, so a bit of cheering up can’t hurt.
More seriously (sort of), yes, it is an apocalypse (or whatever terminology you prefer for the ongoing shitshow) and you will get no argument from me at all.
I am wondering though, has this not always been the case?
Sure, things are bad, and will get worse, and yet, somehow, we survive and carry on.
Given the vast preponderance of shit out there, might it not just be possible that each and every day that we don’t die (or worse) be evidence of a caring and benevolent God?
And I mean that quite seriously.
We’re all still here.
When I think back on the innumerable things that could’ve/should’ve killed me/us already, why the fuck are we all still here?
My take is that it’s because God has our backs.
What’s yours?
Thousands of windows open at my end. . .
After much searching between them, and because you love drugs, here is some random priest who loves pipe smoking that randomly popped into my feed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui6fq8pR_sM
I did love the old days man. . .
Back then, a customer could strike up his ciggie, or cigar, or pipe, and I’d pour him a beer without fear.
There’s something to be said for what is now gone.
Give me the cancer instead of this wussie fear of life, warts and all.
> My take is that it’s because God has our backs. What’s yours?
Ever see one of the countless films over the ages where at some point the Hero is undergoing torture by the Bad Guy, and when he passes out from the pain, the torturer splashes some water in his face or gives him an injection of adrenaline or whatever, yelling “don’t you pass out on me now, asshole!!!”
I suspect it’s something like that.
“don’t you pass out on me now, asshole!!!”
Cackle.
Yup. That’s basically it.
> This country is the second largest food exporter in the world.
I wished you Dutchies stopped saying that nonsense. The Netherlands is merely a gateway country. You export so much, because you import a lot. A bunch of beans and lettuce arrive in Rotterdam, and a few hours later they cross the German border. That is all there is to Dutch agricultural prowess.
First the white lie: the Netherlands exports so much OMG the pinnacle of civilization! So much technology! Such entrepreneurial mindset! How come the rest of the world is so stupid and cannot keep up?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1332329/leading-countries-worldwide-by-value-of-agricultural-products-exported/
Then reality. The Netherlands is a vanishingly small producer of all sorts of agricultural products. For lolz, compare the US and the Netherlands on the FAO site here: https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QCL.
Then compare again with like-sized countries like Belgium or Hungary.
The Netherlands imports as much food as Germany or France, but have a fraction of the population: https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/WLD/Year/LTST/TradeFlow/Import/Partner/by-country/Product/16-24_FoodProd
It is not that the Dutch eat five times as much food as the Germans. They simply re-export the rest.
You are not a major exporter. You are a major re-exporter. Thank Denmark for being in the way of any sane sealanes going to Germany.
AnD SToP UsInG ThaT LiE IN AlL DeBATeS aBOuT FOoD SeCURiTY!
>I wished you Dutchies stopped saying that nonsense. The Netherlands is merely a gateway country. You export so much, because you import a lot. A bunch of beans and lettuce arrive in Rotterdam, and a few hours later they cross the German border. That is all there is to Dutch agricultural prowess.
Of course. You’re not wrong. The other great Dutch agricultural claim to fame are the factory farms, where pigs are fed soybeans from Argentine and Brazil, before the meat is shipped to China.
But the result is the same: When the lights go out in the Netherlands, it affects the whole world.
Look, I am on your side on this, and also on the upcoming shortages of drinking water, which you do not mention here, but I suppose you will in the future
https://www.rivm.nl/nieuws/snel-actie-nodig-om-drinkwatertekort-in-2030-te-voorkomen.
But you still seem to think that there is a solution, something that we could collectively do, or at least we should have done in the past, to dodge the problems ahead.
Perhaps you do not spend enough time on r/collapse or maybe it is the Greta mind virus. But you are still spitting venom at those you think are the bad guys. Try to consider instead that no one is really in command and this is just where events have taken us, regardless of what people wanted. Read Tolstoy’s War and Peace.
Actually…yes! But if, if, if the vaxx program does kill off enough people (coupled with the upcoming wars and Black Swan events),there may not be enough people left to be a real problem, ecologically speaking. Especially if the fertility rates keep crashing.
The vax/covid die-offs will result in there being no people around who know how to run the nuclear plants. They will melt down. Large chunks of the world will be like Chernobyl is now.
I would love to think that the Covid shitshow was done on purpose to crash human population and that some supervillain is behind all of this.
But no, I think human nature is just what it is, and complex systems react in non-linear ways, and we are just too stupid to get the whole picture and to see the train coming from the other end of the tunnel. No Iron Man behind this, only the banality of evil.
And bad things might happen locally, and kill a bunch of people locally, but overall, world population will diminish slowly. In a few centuries, who knows, there will be only a few thousands of us left. But I will be long gone by then, so I basically do not care about what shape the collapse of human population will take.
I do not think that vaccines, new viruses and wars will do their trick in a few years’ time, and that the survivors will be walking on corpses 28 days later.
Things will break down, there will be blackouts, hospitals will slowly stop working, police will turn into organized crime, one day you will open the faucet and no water will flow. We will all be poorer. All the astute things we tried to prevent this will turn out to have made the problem worse.
But that will be fine. I am already past 40. Humans had life expectancies lower than my age for most of our existence as a species. If I die tomorrow, I will have already lived more than my fair share.
The real obstacle to nuclear power in the West is the competency crisis combined with the weakening of effective state power (And rise of anarcho-tyrannic power) that results from the internal feuding in purely democratic systems.
Nuclear power requires an engineering-first, state-directed mindset. That is why it used to work in the West and today works fine in Russia, China, South Korea etc.
It is also why it did not work in Japan. The flooding risk of the emergency generators for Fukushima had been highlighted years prior. Management didn’t care, it would cost too much to move them. That was not an engineering first approach.
People will just use coal. That is what they do when clean energy becomes costly; they use dirty energy (people in very poor parts of the U.S. burn tires for heat). There is plenty of coal; China is building more coal-burning plants (they are currently using them less, but that would change if they really needed the energy). The warming aspect will be baked in; the hope is that there will be good scrubbers.
Wombat, I understand that decreasing pH means increasing acidity, but the graph ends at the year 1900 at about 8.2 pH.
Their computer modeling is “predicting” the end of the world by the year 2100.
Ridiculous
I know RR hates this, but what am I missing?
What are you missing? Take a look at the information in the link I posted, or not.
I’m not in the business of proselytizing about this though, or in trying to win you over or whatever: been there, done that, got the T-shirt; it’s exhausting, stressful, and traumatizing; and the world is still doomed for all that.
This is just one leg of the vast overshoot/over-consumption spider that’s striding the Earth anyway.
Honestly, you’re probably better off not knowing that it exists; it’s impossible to unsee.
This is what happens when fools set industrial policy. However, the market incentives could help: negative and positive prices encourage battery storage, alleviating blackouts. Not all consumers would be turned off during blackouts. Only the least important ones. Also I thought that Europe has a common electrical grid?
I have two of these systems that provides me with 100kW hours of storage and 18kW of solar generation. In winter I only need one reasonable generation day every week to fill the batteries (units are in the garage). During the summer I turn half my panels off. I use a ground loop heat pump to heat in winter when it gets to below freezing temps.
The system cost me $95,000 USD to install including the heat pump combined heating system.
https://www.alphaess.us/smile-sp-spb-7-6kw-9-6kw-residential-energy-storage-system
I use zero grid power import (only export).