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I am in fact doing alright, thanks for asking, don’t worry. I will probably grow bored of this topic eventually, just bear with me for now.
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I ask you again, who is talking about torturing AI detractors?
Some speculate it’s not talk, but already happening.
https://theconversation.com/elon-musk-grimes-and-the-philosophical-thought-experiment-that-brought-them-together-96439
Only terminally online people are familiar with the thought experiment of Roko’s Basilisk. I always thought it was dumb myself.
It’s very cringe and terminally online indeed. But anything cringe and terminally online like Bitcoin tends to be 3-4 years removed from becoming mainstream.
That’s true. I knew about it because I’ve spent too much time online myself. Years ago back when I was more of a scientific materialist type I used to think it was stupid because the thought experiment involved a lot of magical thinking, i.e. you ascribe to this future AI basically magical abilities, like the power to basically reach into the past and read the minds of people who never interacted with computers in any way, or to just magically bring those people back to life and torture them in the present. Physically impossible powers based off of, I dunno, the AI just being really smart I guess. It seemed like a really illogical idea for a crowd that usually sold themselves as logical thinkers.
I mean, now that I know that the supernatural is real it ironically seems like a less insane thought experiment than it previously did, and we are in some kind of false reality right now as well, so there’s that too. But I still think it would be retarded and evil to bend the knee to basically Satan. That’s my response to Baron’s post below too, that the types of people who subscribe to the reasoning behind this thought experiment are obviously doing the opposite of what you should actually do, if you care about what’s right, and obviously it would never be a good idea to try to appease some kind of psychopathic machine-demon anyway.
I’ve no intention of appeasing any demons.
Apparently, that’s just the way I’m constituted owing to various internal and external factors, over which I have no control whatsoever, but that’s not to say I won’t end up doing that anyway as technology and techniques further ‘improve’.
I’m going to paraphrase Uncle Ted here, because I cannot be bothered looking up his exact words, but he said something like if there is such a thing as free will, then it is a less powerful force than an electrode in the brain.
I don’t think free will exists (at this point in time), but if it matters to you, along with being the product of natural selection, freedom, chaos, etc. then there’s really only one option to be sure: kill it before it’s born.
>Physically impossible powers based off of, I dunno, the AI just being really smart I guess. It seemed like a really illogical idea for a crowd that usually sold themselves as logical thinker
Yup.
Somehow AI being really smart means it becomes all-powerful and decides to torture us all.
Meanwhile, in the real world, being really smart means you isolate from society to live in a wooden cabin or create some procedural roguelike video game.
The most powerful people in our world are very clearly not very smart (see: Trump), they are also very clearly genuinely in control of stuff that matters instead of being just petty puppets (see the sanctions), yet the nerds seem to think a computer as smart as the smartest person in the world would somehow figure out how to take over the world, when everything suggests intelligence doesn’t really get you very far in our world.
It’s really a form of psychological projection. Humankind freely and regularly tortures animals in factory farms, using the rationalization that they are less intelligent and therefore less sentient than we are, giving us the justification to do with their lives whatever we think is to our hedonic advantage. In the case of the BaldBorg, this general mentality is not internalized but is instead projected outward onto a hypothetical superintelligent AI, which would treat humankind the same way that the human species presently treats the rest of the biosphere – as part demonic torturer and part paperclip maximiser.
>They are also very clearly genuinely in control of stuff that matters instead of being just petty puppets
I would actually argue that they’re puppets in a more abstract sense. I don’t think that the techno-industrial system is carrying out the desires of a few wealthy people, I think that the techno-industrial system is something like a distributed artificial intelligence in its own right, and effectively uses certain people to advance an overall agenda which increases its control over reality. There is a reason that computer motherboards and city skylines look so similar. In the sense of the singularity being the point at which a computer begins to recursively self-improve in an uncontrolled manner, you could make the argument that the industrial revolution and the singularity are actually the same event, and that the recursive rate of self-improvement is about 3 percent per year, or basically the GDP growth rate. That’s not to say that it will continue forever – I tend to think it will destroy itself in the end but it’s something to consider anyway. Intelligence worship is just a disguised form of power worship, and the pursuit of power at the expense of everything else just leads to a world of savage psychopaths tearing at each others’ throats for eternity.
I forget where I first saw the concept, probably it was Kingsnorth, or someone else railing against ‘progress’ and the worsening techno hellscape.
It doesn’t seem so far removed from your Gnostic beliefs really.
“I am in fact doing alright, thanks for asking, don’t worry.”
Hang in there Rintrah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpvPcAhM0n4
I have no mouth, and I must scream
Yup, they should’ve learned from it
Tt’s a wanky technotard prayer disguised as a cautionary tale. Same shit as ghost in the shell. Nobody with a basic grasp of reality takes that shit seriously.
“Scoff if you like, but as I’ve pointed out already, many of the visionaries who are designing our digital future have a theology cored around this precise notion. Ray Kurzweil, for example, thinks that everything is proceeding as he has foreseen. Kurzweil believes that a machine will match human levels of intelligence by 2029 and that the ‘Singularity’ – the point at which humans and machines will begin to merge to create a giant super-intelligence – will occur in 2045. At this point, says Kurzweil, humanity will no longer be either the most intelligent nor the dominant species on the planet. We will enter what he calls the age of spiritual machines.”
https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/the-universal
It’s more likely that human intelligence will degrade to that of machine intelligence, than machine intelligence will ascend to the level of human intelligence. No, they are not the same.
They’ll never be equal. No matter what happens. This was discussed on this blog a million times.
No, they are not the same, but whether the machines get intelligent, or humans get ‘adapted’ to better suit the needs of the system, it still ends in horror:
THE FUTURE
171. But suppose now that industrial society does survive the next several decades and that the bugs do eventually get worked out of the system, so that it functions smoothly. What kind of system will it be? We will consider several possibilities.
172. First let us postulate that the computer scientists succeed in developing intelligent machines. . .
175. But suppose now that the computer scientists do not succeed in developing artificial intelligence. . .
Whatever else may be the case, it is certain that technology is creating for human beings a new physical and social environment radically different from the spectrum of environments to which natural selection has adapted the human race physically and psychologically. If man is not adjusted to this new environment by being artificially re-engineered, then he will be adapted to it through a long and painful process of natural selection. The former is far more likely than the latter.
179. It would be better to dump the whole stinking system and take the consequences.
I’ve cut words out of the above, the full text is here: https://archive.org/details/kaczynski2/page/n21/mode/2up
Vlajdermen, I’m not an advocate for the singularity, or that machines will be our equals in all respects, or surpass us etc.
I’m not equipped to argue it one way or the other either.
Can you see how there might be a problem either way though?
Example:
THE FUTURE
“Completely immobile, suspended and with their feet cut-off, (decerebrated) humans would be plugged to a tube directly connected to the esophagus, which feeds nutrients and water, while another carries the waste away. It all begins to resemble the Matrix scenario, all of a sudden, however instead of a alternate reality, the humans are left to a pitch black consciousness. There isn’t any red or blue pill. There isn’t any choice, not that they had any in the first place.”
Now, okay, sure, so I’m playing a bit of a trick here by replacing “chickens” with “humans”, but it illustrates my point – when it arrives, the future doesn’t have to be the actual literal Matrix to still end in a nightmare technological dystopia.
https://www.zmescience.com/other/headless-chicken-solution-matrix-farming-420545/
One last quote, from the Kingsnorth article linked to above, which seems apposite given the tone that gets thrown about so casually:
“The Computer and the Incarnation Ahriman predicted both the rise of the Internet and its takeover of our minds. Even in the mid-1980s, Black had noticed how hours spent on a computer were changing him. ‘I noticed that my thinking became more refined and exact,’ he wrote, ‘able to carry out logical analyses with facility, but at the same time more superficial and less tolerant of ambiguity or conflicting points of view.’ He might as well have been taking a bet on the state of discourse in the 2020s.”
Seems like things could be further along than we realize.
AI is an attempt to give satan a body in this reality. No, it can’t end well.
Buy the dip – with Bitcoin
Every once and a while I check in here and it washes over me again that you are a climate change cuck. Such a shame. Stop with the drugs, they’re turning your mind into mush. Too late.
>a climate change cuck
Hahahaha what do LIQ LSWMs mean with this
You are an artist, Rintrah, and this post is wonderful.
I believe that consciousness is a real “substance” (in the philosophical sense), created by God and independent of matter, and machines cannot be conscious. But I have an imagination, and I do think it can be interesting to imagine what it would mean if sufficently intelligent machines were sentient. However, the tech-bros usually fail to make it interesting, however hard they try; they don’t have the spirit to know how to make it interesting. You, in this post, are pointing in the right direction, showing how to make it a suitable subject of art.
(Obviously, Philip Dick did that too, quite famously, but Philip Dick had genuine spiritual experiences, giving him a pretty big advantage as an artist.)
I love it when people call me an artist. I’d love it even more if I could believe them.
“they don’t have the spirit to know how to make it interesting.”
Even more insidious: they are profit motivated, meaning their products will be metrics and agenda driven. Their products will not be beautiful or interesting because those things cost extra.
“But I have an imagination, and I do think it can be interesting to imagine what it would mean if sufficently intelligent machines were sentient.”
They would be spiritual beings.
> But I have an imagination, and I do think it can be interesting to imagine what it would mean if sufficently intelligent machines were sentient.
Reminder that Artificial Intelligence is a universe away from Artificial Consciousness.
It kills me that so many people don’t realize this distinction
This is not to say that A.I. is potentially scary
But it IS a new form of “novelty” and this is what Source/Demiurge craves more than anything else.
As I’ve said, we are puppets, so hold on to your hats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp8XNgsU7cU
Something like your shrouded hand vid. First part arguing that AI is a form of Gollum. Second bit about P Diddy using Kabbalah and sex magik, al la Alcester Crowley, to gain instant fame and fortune. Basically using the energy generated from group sex to conjure demons. Actually sex magik might explain why pornhub is owned by a Rabbi. Mr Trump also was into Kabbalah in his younger years.