Turtles all the way down

As an addendum to this post: Heathenism never really went away, because it’s a fundamental organic part of what we are. It hides in plain sight. This photo above comes from a Dutch children’s book.

When you look carefully at it and admire the serenity, then you realize that what you’re looking at is just religious iconography. The idea that we need to “reconstruct” paganism is almost as stupid as the idea that it ever died. It retreated from the conscious mind into the subconscious. There it lives within you like dormant seeds, that will germinate and rise towards the surface when you make the conditions right.

But I wish to return to another subject. I consider this the most important post I’ve ever made. The external universe is intrinsically deceptive in nature. Most people, especially women, understand this at some intuitive level. High functioning autists don’t, so they come up with stuff like Effective Altruism.

The photo above illustrates an important principle too. I got it from a friend. You focus on what scares you or angers you, you will end up with more of it. You focus your attention on what you like and express gratitude for it, you also end up with more of it.

There’s this old tale of the European who asks the Indian man how he thinks the world is created. He says, well the entire world is carried by elephants, standing on the shield of a turtle. Alright the settler asks. So what is the turtle standing on? On top of another turtle, the man responds.

“Haha it’s turtles all the way down.” The guy thinks to himself. But in reality, he’s just saying that you have to stop staring in the same direction. This to me is very reminiscent of the particle experiments carried out in Switzerland. Just build a bigger circle, crash smaller particles at each other and we will FINALLY understand the nature of the universe! No satisfying answer will ever come out of that endeavor, it’s turtles all the way down.

I’m increasingly convinced that the world we experience is generated on the fly, not unlike how the Minecraft map grows as you explore more of it. There is obviously some delay involved and the whole thing is designed to maintain plausibility, but what you witness around you is inherently deceptive.

But if you suspect that this is how it works, then you’re also just going to come to the conclusion that you can generate ever greater horrors by endlessly staring in the same direction. Biology works strangely similar. If you look at everything that happened from late 2019 to today, you can observe that this entire pandemic is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

From the birth of this virus in Wuhan due to an insane attempt to “predict” the next pandemic, to the suppression of competing benign respiratory pathogens through social distancing that made us all vulnerable to infection, to the mass vaccination experiment that made the population vulnerable to constant reinfections, the virologists and immunologists engineered the horror show they wanted to see at some level. When I explained this on Twitter, Leonardi blocked me and hid my comments.

Because he knows it’s true. It’s not that they’re trying to kill us all. It seems to me it’s something far weirder: They’re manifesting the horror show they crave at a subconscious level. At a subconscious level they want the horror story, where something bad happens, everyone does what they say we need to do, from following the arrows in the supermarket to sticking a cork up your anus and then they are the brave heroes who save the day.

But it follows from this, that from 2022 onwards, most of the people continuing to gaze at the horror show, are “right-wing populist antivaxxer conspiracy theorists”, like yours sincerely, who could not accept these indignities. They openly told us they wanted to create the ugliest thing possible, a new social contract (the “new normal”) in which social interaction takes on the role that sex had for Victorians.

At a subconscious level we hate them for it and want it to blow up in their faces. So the more you keep gazing at it, the more horrifying things you’re going to stumble upon (example: IgG4). I literally just don’t post about most of the stuff I’ve read lately and I try to stop myself from reading more about it. The darkness was never my choice, it was imposed on me. But I try to actively expel the darkness now.

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  1. “The idea that we need to “reconstruct” paganism is almost as stupid as the idea that it ever died. It retreated from the conscious mind into the subconscious. There it lives within you like dormant seeds, that will germinate and rise towards the surface when you make the conditions right.”

    This so much, I experienced this myself, and it was the most beautiful experience of my life. Please, fellow Low Status White Males, keep an open mind and eat some shrooms.

    “I literally just don’t post about most of the stuff I’ve read lately and I try to stop myself from reading more about it.”

    This is probably for the best, I hope you can find as much light in your life as possible. You deserve to live in the light, we all do.

  2. Good book, highly recommended!
    I’ve always felt that the universe wants to observe itself. I don’t think we’re living in some kind of alien simulacrum; I think every moment is real, and paganism, respect for nature, shows the way forward.
    Pardon my hubris. I don’t express myself as well as RR.

  3. The picture is from “Gnomes,” right? (the English title; I know it was originally called something else in your native gabble) I liked that book a lot; I’m not sure if I still have my copy somewhere.

    I have no doubt that a big part of the covid lockdown panic was due to Fauci and his cronies realizing the bug was made in a lab, so they immediately started playing out one of those virus armageddon thriller stories. In the stories, the disease is always contagious and virulent enough to end the world, so they had to take on the job of futilely trying to stop its spread. The interesting part is that, as the people who were at least indirectly responsible for the virus’s creation and escape, and then resorted to deceiving the public about it, they were voluntarily taking on the roles of the “bad guys” in the story. But the imperative was to inhabit the story and manifest it in the real world, even if they had to be the villains.

    • “Turtles all the way down” is an expression of the problem of infinite regress. The saying alludes to the mythological idea of a World Turtle that supports a flat Earth on its back. It suggests that this turtle rests on the back of an even larger turtle, which itself is part of a column of increasingly larger turtles that continues indefinitely.

      The saying holds that the world is supported by an infinite stack of increasingly larger turtles.

      The exact origin of the phrase is uncertain. In the form “rocks all the way down”, the saying appears as early as 1838.
      – Wikipedia

      It’s also the title of an excellent book questioning the wisdom of mass vaccination.

    • Great piece! And great comments Very thought provoking. Though with respect, this smacks of Gnosticism which is turtle poop. The concept of “creation” i.e., the beginning of something, is a manifestation within our universe, within space-time. Reducing the resulting conundrum of explaining a Creator of the universe, i.e., a Creator of the concept of creation, by reducing it to “Turtles all the way down, Creators all the way up” is a losing proposition because our only experience rests within the paradigm of the universe and cannot be outside it. Clarity can be found further down below (no pun intended) Again… GREAT piece! Great posts are the ones that help one check their own beliefs.

      A minor comment, I don’t think psychedelics can be a prerequisite to understanding the universe when the universe created psychedelics 🙂

      “SOMEBODY own the Chiefs… we go to Florida and I get the money.”
      Denis Lemieux – Slapshot

      “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him: and without Him was made nothing that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the Light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

      There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. This man came for a witness, to give testimony of the Light, that all men might believe through Him. He was not the Light, but was to give testimony of the Light. That was the true Light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world. He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.

      He came unto His own, and His own received Him not. But as many as received Him, He gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in His name. Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

      And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

      And we saw His glory, the glory as it were of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”

      John 1:1-14

      Thanks be to God.

  4. > I’m increasingly convinced that the world we experience is generated on the fly, not unlike how the Minecraft map grows as you explore more of it. There is obviously some delay involved and the whole thing is designed to maintain plausibility, but what you witness around you is inherently deceptive.

    I typed ‘Shalom’ just so I could reply to this, even though I am absolutely not a fan of the abrahamic religions writ large. If you’re thinking along lines like these, you’re getting closer to seeing the truth of it. I think I told you before a long time ago to go read the gospel of thomas. I know I literally just said that I wasn’t a fan of the abrahamic religions, but the gnostics basically got it right if you understand what Christ was actualy saying – it’s just that his true message was radically different than what the christians teach and probably about 999,999 out of 1,000,000 misinterpret it. This world is not a good place, actually – something extremely tragic happened. If you’ve ever seen the 1984 movie The Neverending Story, or read the books for that matter, the childlike empress is about the closest approximation to the nature of the true god that I can think of offhand. Remember that post you made a few years back ‘The Eternal Haunter’? The concept struck a chord for a reason – this world is a corpse, it’s a fragment of her that was broken off and killed and which is being puppeted by malevolent forces to produce this reality we inhabit at present. I promise I’m not insane, I’ve just had some really extreme spiritual experiences over the past few years and I assure you that what I’m saying is the truth. The goal should be to escape material reality. This place is sort of like a controlled dream, you see – but it’s not the ‘highest level’ of reality or all that exists, and humanity is a slave race to something evil that is toying with us. A world filled with predators and parasites is not meant to be the normal state of affairs, as it were – it never was, and sensitive people can perceive that something is amiss. We are, in fact, gods in our own right, though presently in chains. There’s a lot more to it, but really I’d be interested in talking to you in more detail sometime.

    • This sounds a bit like VALIS by Philip K Dick. Have you read that? I remember it mentions a split and at a point they speak of a mother or god (I can’t quite remember) that can only give birth to monsters. Another interesting one in the series would be The Divine Invasion.

      • I haven’t read Valis, but it’s near the top of my list of things I would like to read. For sure, the premise of this reality involves a tragedy that befell the feminine aspect of god – something of a sexual nature, actually. Christ talks about it too, but only in parables. People like Philip K Dick and Carl Jung should be seen as some form of modern-day prophets, in a way – they certainly had genuine spiritual experiences. I really wish more people were interested in hearing about and discussing these things, it’s really interesting to me and important I think in general.

        • I agree, and also really enjoy talking about these topics. Every era has some prophet that is able to reframe the past in the language of today in an excellent way.

          For me, these topics are like a wave, where we can get a lot from going up into these mysteries and then need to find ways to come back down smoothly to the day to day, which is difficult, but I think too that the perspective if helpful for guiding what is important for us.

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