I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact that we’re going to have a bird flu pandemic. I don’t understand how you’re supposed to just ignore what’s happening around you, this approaching catastrophe, when there is still time left to solve the problem. I realize that’s what most people are doing, but I don’t understand how they do that. It’s like playing a game of cards or scrubbing the carpet while you’re on the Titanic. I don’t know how you’re supposed to think about anything else.
It’s a matter of when we get a bird flu pandemic, not if, according to the experts. There have been 61 cases in people so far in the US this year. There’s already a lot of immense stupidity out there, like this post suggesting we should let the chickens develop herd immunity, instead of culling them when they get infected. The average chicken is slaughtered at 47 days old. There is no herd immunity, when a herd lives for just 47 days. Even a laying hen lives for just 20 months. And more than 90% of hens who catch it die within 48 hours anyway. And the surviving birds would continue to have the virus in their eggs and flesh. But anything to sell your supplements I guess.
Ninety percent of pregnant women who caught H5N1 died, along with 87% of their fetuses. The immunological alterations induced by pregnancy to allow a different human to grow in your body just make it difficult to survive infections like this. Survivors of bird flu will have brain damage and lung damage. Vaccination has done nothing to stop the neurological complications of SARS-COV-2. There’s no real reason to expect it would work better against H5N1. Most antibodies are unable to pass the blood-brain barrier, as the brain is immunologically separate.
LSWMs are desperate to believe that Fauci, Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab and George Soros are somehow behind this. But we have had these viruses jumping into people from the factory farms since the late 90’s. The gain of function laboratory here is the chicken broiler. If this is some sort of conspiracy, they’re doing a really good job making it look like a real virus, first killing off herds of sea lions and elephant seals in South America, before going after the cattle, before killing the animals in the zoos, before going after us.
But essentially nothing has been done about any of this. The virologists have known this was coming for over two decades now. What did they do about it? They tried vaccinating against it, generating new variants that could jump into other species in the process. They should have pointed out the inconvenient truth, that nature has a whole arsenal of viruses that will evolve to kill off animals when they live in crowded conditions in which they die after just 47 days.
We had more than two decades to prepare for this, by phasing out animal foods. But people didn’t want it, companies like Beyond Meat lost 99% of their market value. Now nature is phasing the animal foods out for us. Egg prices in the US are now up 38% in a year. Animal products are 67% of protein in the average American’s diet. The population is unprepared for what’s going to happen. Riots will break out, people will starve. You can have another 2009 type recession, which was sparked by high food and fuel prices leaving people unable to pay their mortgages.
The first cases of kids catching it with no known source have already happened. The first case of an elderly person catching it from wild birds and being hospitalized by it has already happened. In Canada a teenager caught it somehow, the teen is still in the ICU. Millions of chickens are dying from this, birds are just falling out of the sky in some parts of North America. The animals in the zoos are starting to die from it.
The virologists have neglected their duties. They tinker away in their laboratories, they compete to get published in Nature, but if they took their duties seriously, they would have rung the alarm bells and said: “It’s unsustainable for 57% of global avian biomass to be chickens put together in cages, you’re breeding superviruses.” They don’t want to see the bigger picture. Instead of explaining to people what’s going on, the government just denies there is food inflation, so then people elect Trump.
The climatologists are in a sense similar. They waited too long too. The oil companies were warned in 1954 that CO2 was going to change the climate. Why did it take until 1988, until the US senate was warned by James Hansen? It takes a long time, to move the direction of this giant machine we live in. With the factory farms that are breeding deadly viruses, we didn’t even make a real attempt.
The very virulent polybasic cleavage site varieties of influenza have a fitness disadvantage in the wild, because they tend to kill their hosts. In a factory farm, it doesn’t matter whether you incapacitate your host as a virus, as your host can’t fly elsewhere to help you spread anyway. In other words, when you shut down the factory farms, it eventually just burns itself out, the very virulent polybasic cleavage site varieties become unable to compete with the normal monobasic cleavage site varieties.
There isn’t really anything useful to do in our current situation except vegan advocacy. It is where all the different problems come together. Obesity? We know what works. Climate change, deforestation? We could give three quarters of our farmland back to nature, simply by eating vegan. That last quarter that we keep for ourselves, would be mostly covered in trees with edible nuts and fruits. And underneath those trees, you could then easily grow crops like strawberries and blueberries.
We can grow shellfish with a hundred times the protein per square meter of beef. With mushrooms we can get a thousand times the protein per square meter. We don’t need to occupy all this land. The Netherlands produces as many edible mushrooms as the United States. Think of what kind of self-sufficient economic powerhouse you can have, with a vegan population. With shellfish (no brains), seaweed and mushrooms, Europe can just feed itself, we don’t have to depend on soybeans and grain from South America.
With our continent covered in trees again, we would have the biomass we need to run our power plants in winter when the sun and wind are unavailable. If we then sequestered the CO2 underground, we would have negative CO2 emissions. The solutions exist. But the solutions require you to care about non-human animals.
Veganism is the only thing that works fast. Methane lasts for just a few years in the atmosphere. The trees from reforestation reduce peak temperatures in summer by a few degree Celsius. They release moisture during droughts, they capture it during floods. They stop the soil from eroding. You can just have apple trees and chestnut trees growing throughout Spain and Italy. A healthy diet would have about four or five times more tree nuts than people currently eat.
Eighty percent of the grain grown in Spain is fed to animals. Just imagine the sort of world we could live in, if everyone went vegan. But ultimately, all of this is secondary. You don’t have to comprehend what a polybasic cleavage site is. You don’t have to comprehend what biomass means. The answer was obvious all along.
All you have to understand is that we should not inflict suffering on animals who mean no harm to us.
So the high death rate currently being observed in the DRC can be at least partly attributed to malnourishment, poor sanitation practices and lack of access to medical care due to ongoing strife in the region.
However it will be very important to note what happens if (when?!) the virus spreads to other African countries with a healthier population, and whether or not there will also be a high death rate. Because that will give us an idea of just how much cross-immunity there is from regular influenza. It should also offer some indications as to how effective the cross-immunity is from COVID-induced trained innate immunity, as you’ve written about before (because Africa largely didn’t vaccinate against COVID).
Although many Africans may not have these innate immune adaptations in their brains to the same degree as unvaccinated populations in Western countries, since they had much lower exposure to SARS-CoV-2 due to reaching herd immunity in the Spring of 2022.
Is there generally much flu in Africa? It’s seasonal in the West and Africa doesn’t have seasons
Everywhere has seasons, even if they’re not as dramatic as in the in the northern hemisphere. Africa has wet and dry seasons. Congo is going through it’s colder wet season, which is when flus hit same as the west.
We don’t really know how lethal it’s going to be until it has made a few human to human jumps. It first needs to adapt to our species, to increase its virulence.
That’s what we see in other animals: It grows deadlier with every passage.
There’s also the problem that it suppresses the immune system, that’s what we see in the cows in California, they tend to die from secondary infections.
H5N1 is known to do this: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30065728/
So once the whole population begins catching this virus, you can expect secondary infections on top of it.
That may be why they assumed it was malaria in Congo. The innate immune system is suppressed and then secondary infections like malaria get to do their thing.
I saw a sign warning of bird flue near the river where hicks like to go to murder ducks.
Our abuse of nature is the Sword of Damocles; to think the sword spares the winner of the lottery is to mistake the nature of gambling.
I fucking love talking like a mushroom brained retard.
>Our abuse of nature is the Sword of Damocles; to think the sword spares the winner of the lottery is to mistake the nature of gambling.
Yup.
I understand that people don’t worry about the temperature by 2050, about how much copper there is left, how much oil there is left. They want to live their lives.
But this is here, right now.
And it’s basically just being YOLO’d.
It’s interesting to see this civilization’s luck run out in real time.
My mentality is that it is best remain detached from this society and its people. Most people are barely sentient and not worth being hated; and while the cruelty that’s inflicted upon animals means that whatever is happening is karma; that doesn’t mean we should wish bad things upon others either.
Whatever happens, happens; I say.
Yes it jumps. Every day. But only the weakest are being caught. Many farmers and workers have just a bad flu and go back to work. Immunized.
Check up on them a year from now. It sticks around in your organs and continues to mutate to adapt to them.
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe that happens a lot and we just notice it now. All my esoteric/new age/alt-pol friends are very lively and healthy. Normies not so much. Some fear nuclear war. Yes, really. They are distraught bc of a hypothetical black-and-white, all or nothing scenario. No wonder they are all sick. Some lettersoup acquaintances (lgb…) wrote they fear “Damascus” coming to them, a government collapse, and then they are on the line. Yes, really.
This is not good at all. Normies cant handle this kind of background radiation into their soul. Humans like the author from TFA and many from its commentariat are used to it. They know when to stop and say enough for today, now I go snail spotting in the Botanical garden.
Its almost funny how much of modern industrial society is basically falling apart. German car industry basically going bankrupt. Japan’s not far behind with Nissan on the brink. Boeing forgetting how to build planes profitably. The one most people miss is how close Iran and Israel are to Nuking each other. This vid got to be from the Iranian government explaining just how close they are to having nukes. Basically the material for a bomb would take a day. (three parts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ECCI–rgTo
Also there was a possible Iranian nuclear test a couple months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7sIEmjAFAA
And Iran an Russia just signed a mutual defense pact just to add on a bit more, so if Israel nukes Iran Russia promises to respond.
The continents were covered in trees.
We had devoured them by 1600.
You’re advocating for the immediate death of billions so that millions won’t die.
The brain you keep referring to is made out of saturated fat and cholesterol jelly, constructed by vitamin b12.
Which is why in most civilized countries, parents who feed their children vegan diets are jailed for child abuse.
You want to see severe neurological issues? Let’s do what you’re suggesting.
You have a low IQ.
You know vegetarianism is an option. You avoid all the pitfalls of veganism, B12 deficiency, etc, while also eliminating most of the problems you complain about.
Vegetarianism is better, that’s what you should do.
Better than eating meat I mean.
“Veganism is the only thing that works fast.” – population reduction using drones is likely faster. Veganism and no emissions of CO2 are incompatible with humans species, which is characterized by using fire and hunting for animals for most of the time of its existance.
“The trees from reforestation …release moisture during droughts.” – bad stuff, as it would keep evil countries inside Eurasia (Russia, Iran) moist rather than dry – they would be stronger, and able to do more military damage to civilized countries existing near seas and oceans.
People like TomR are so attached to eating animals that deep down they hope that that New World Order will use drones or whatever to kill the vast majority of people so they don’t have to change their diet. TomR has to believe that the state will save him from the horrors of eating a salad by killing everyone else for him; it’s hilarious.
Anyway, your ancestors scavenged rotting meat and fermented fruit off the ground. Go back far enough in your family tree and you’ll find herbivores and carnivores; evolution works to keep those that are willing to adapt alive.
Trying to larp as a caveman by eating nothing but processed dairy products and vaccine and steroid fed factory farmed meat doesn’t seem to work out very well for people nowadays. Go on, eat like a total retard while imagining yourself as some cartoonish caricature of “muh ancestors” You blockheaded simpleton.