Who asked for this?

I just need to perform a sanity check every once in a while. I’m just a regular guy, but I can’t help but wonder, if I were to step up to some regular person on the side of the street and asked them: “Hey, do you want to have your brain simulated on a computer?” Or if I were to ask: “Hey do you like the idea of robots powered by a rat’s brain tissue?” What are people going to respond? Is this what people want? Is this what they asked for?

Well, this is what they’re doing. They’re simulating an entire mouse cortex on a supercomputer. By 2044 they hope to simulate an entire human brain. And of course the limitations are in fine print. I’ll quote them here for the heck of it:

The current model does not include plasticity, because sufficient biological information is not yet available to inform reliable models of plasticity across the whole cortex.

[…]

In this study, neurons were assumed to have ion channels only at the soma, whereas biological neurons have them everywhere on the membrane surface. These models are called perisomatic and all-active models, respectively. All-active models consume much more computational resources, because all compartments—both somatic and dendritic—have ion channels. Thus, when neuron models are elaborated from perisomatic to all-active, calculation of the ion channels will occupy a large portion of the computational time.

It’s far from a perfect simulation, but what’s limiting them is the computation they have available. They’re not limited by the question: Do we want this? Your average Western government thinks it can’t say Merry Christmas because it might offend some people’s religious sensibilities. Do they ever stop and question whether all this scientific research might offend some people’s notion of the dignity of life?

I’ll be honest to you. When I really started thinking about this stuff, it triggered psychosis in me, for which I am now being medicated. I don’t suffer from the “LLM induced psychosis”, because I don’t use those chatbots, but I tend to have the haunting idea creep up on me every once in a while that our world is not real but a kind of computer simulation, or that I could end up having my mind trapped in such a simulation by nefarious people as per Roko’s basilisk and it horrifies me.

I don’t think we’re living in a simulated reality, but we’re making large progress towards creating a reality that is increasingly simulated. And I have to ask again: Who asked for this? I remember people protesting on the streets for racial justice and against police brutality. That was not universally endorsed, but it was organic, regardless of what your personal opinion might be about it.

Similarly, I remember people protesting against nuclear weapons, against the Iraq war, for affordable housing, for climate action. I also remember the right wing equivalent, people protesting for less government spending and lower taxes. I remember people protesting for and against abortion.

But what I don’t remember seeing at any point, is people protesting to have AI videos. I don’t remember seeing people demand to have an AI datacenter in their neighborhood. I don’t remember any people who want to have their brain simulated on a computer. I don’t remember any people demanding robots powered by rat brain tissue to do the work for them.

And what I don’t remember is people saying: “I wish I could pick the embryo with the highest IQ before I got pregnant.” Normal people want their children to be happy. You could argue the pro-lifers have a valid argument that when you start aborting children with Down syndrome that this is just the next step on the slippery slope. But what annoys me is that all of this stuff is happening without any clear demand from the public.

All of this exists entirely uncoupled from societal demand, heck it exists entirely uncoupled from the normal profit-seeking motives of capitalism. When people didn’t like apartheid South Africa, they could boycott it. When low status white males didn’t like Budweiser having a transgender representative endorse the beer, they could boycott it.

But these people don’t care whether you boycott their crap or not. They seem to have endless pockets and they’ll shove it down your throat regardless. This is what the revenue for the AI companies going public looks like:

None of this is organic. None of it follows from the logical dictates of the free market. People are not paying for AI, but they don’t care. A handful of billionaires expect they can just continue spending enough money until everything is AI and you have no choice on the matter.

Why? Who knows. Some like Peter Thiel fear death and hope the AI will let them upload their mind to a computer. Others like Larry Ellison just fear the public in general and want to control people. Elon Musk needs AI to keep Tesla from imploding. And in general, they don’t seem to like those pesky workers, who can demand rights. They prefer imported labor over natives and they prefer machines over humans.

People like to insist that all of this stuff is “value neutral”. But it isn’t. Certain technologies just inherently centralize power in the hands of a small group of people. If you’re studying drone technology for example, you’re studying how to create armies without pesky human soldiers who might revolt.

You shouldn’t fall for the bullshit argument that any of this stuff can be used “for good” or to “cure disease” or “distributed fairly”. If you don’t want to be replaced by a brain simulated on a supercomputer, you should be against simulating brains with supercomputers, it is that easy.

You certainly shouldn’t fall for the bullshit that China is going to beat us to the “AGI race”. There isn’t some sort of game-ending technology that decides who’s going to rule the world. It doesn’t work like that.

Society wasn’t always like this. It wasn’t always this competitive. The idea of picking genetic traits for your kid like you’re building an RPG character is not something people in the past would have conceived of. You could just drop out of high school or deliver a child as a teenager and your life would not be over. You were not thought of as some kind of sub-human cretin if you didn’t have a Phd.

The reason society sucks so much nowadays is because people just mindlessly join this rat-race. There’s no child in kindergarten who says to their teacher they want to simulate a brain on a computer. That’s a kind of twisted power fantasy that emerges after they were thrown into a locker a few too many times.

Imagine we get really good video generation, better than the stuff currently out there. What’s going to happen? Acting as a way of life will be over. Is that something people want? We call this thing “progress”, but there’s nobody who really seems eager to have this progress invade their own way of life.

You can look at the fruits. The fruits are all rotten and disgusting. That should tell you all you have to know. I’ve been here before. I worked at a bitcoin company, young and naive. I thought to myself, this is going to offer people the ability to make cheap transactions online, a kind of decentralized Paypal of the people if you will.

Well, what we got was a bunch of ponzi schemes, elderly scammed out of their life savings and an environmental catastrophe. The fruits were rotten. With AI, the fruits are also rotten. None of us will stop this technology on our own, but it is important that you do your part. Go to your local town hall meeting when they debate these data centers. Organize yourselves and let people know you don’t want any of this crap. We want simple little lives.

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LSWM Lives Matter

Forgive me, but I’m just testing to see if this new commenting system allows GIFs.

Even the most advanced supercomputer/AGI technology will never be able to recreate/simulate the beauty of Eva. God wins, the techbros lose.

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Retard

Works for PragerU, like Candice Owens and a few others.

Pleiadian Hate Lord (formerly Fucko)

I really appreciate and respect your ability to zoom out and bullshit test common beliefs and attitudes. I don’t know what gives you the ability to do that but you dump a lot of people’s ideas on their heads by pointing out the context they ignore.

Harrold

He’s really REALLY far off. All of these new technologies are just investment scams. AI, fusion power — the list goes on and on. They’re not intended to make a profit. Benefitting mankind is the last thing on their minds. It’s all just designed to play to people’s greed, so they rush to invest without thinking too much.

In the past week AI has told me the score of a football game that hadn’t started. It told me something wrong about planetary orbits. It might take over a few barely useful jobs. But it will require even more workers to catch it’s errors and keep the servers running.

When you read articles like this rat brain computer, you should immediately think “BS” and click away.

mulga mumblebrain

You’re thinking of the West. China approaches all these as challenges, NOT profit-gouging opportunities.

Pleiadian Hate Lord (formerly Fucko)

There’s many facets to everything, and some of them receive much more attention than others. Our author is good at looking at the angles nobody else will.

Let’s say you’re right and AI is just a bullshit pipe dream. Does that change the reality that very powerful people are trying to build a weird dystopia that nobody wanted? The same kind of social engineering bullshit is true of brown people, for example – very few wanted browns, but powerful forces stuffed it down our throats anyway.

That fact, that powerful social engineers are diligently trying to build hell while laughing at our protests, should upset you no matter which hell they are building.

mulga mumblebrain

AI in the USA is basically a Zionist enterprise eg the splendid Alex Karp. Plainly, the hope is to create a global panopticon and ‘kill chain’ where ‘antisemites’ ie anybody opposing any Jew, anywhere, can be quickly identified and dealt with. Moreover, they seem so deluded as to believe that they can get some sort of advantage over China, militarily, and continue the USA’s ‘Full Spectrum Dominance’ over humanity, forever.

Anoon

Rintrah, have you heard of Kill(ss)ing Asuka https://www.youtube.com/@killssingasuka7819 ? He was a Zoomer who thought a lot about AI, consciousness and went schizo as well. I think he would’ve liked your stuff.

Mehen

Great post

>I don’t think we’re living in a simulated reality, but we’re making large progress towards creating a reality that is increasingly simulated. And I have to ask again: Who asked for this?

I’ve been perusing some of the far corners of the internet and there is the idea that our civilization already reached that point at some time in the past and the we as a species are indeed nowliving inside of a simulation our ancestors escaped into.

I’m not sure what to make of that.

Mehen

I don’t mean to disturb your psychological equilibrium if you truly are on meds for your condition, but it really is a a “mind-bending” thought

Mehen

https://youtu.be/HPWVk0UkHQo?si=d9DN95yMg6oHrIQc Looking out on a familiar scene There’s no agreement in what we see Your perception lacks clarify And my perspective is blinding me Side by side Divided they stand Parallel lives running parallel with YOU To the point where our horizons divide My opinion is just a point of view And your position is the other side Caught up in our convictions we forget How our senses distort things we see We can’t accept our differences But we can always disagree Side by side Divided they stand Parallel lives running parallel with YOU To the point where our horizons divide My opinion is just a point of view And your position is the other side Where I stand is not so far from YOU A different opinion is just another point of view Parallel lives running parallel with YOU To the point where our horizons divide My opinion is just a point of view And your position is the other side Parallel lives running parallel with YOU To the point where our horizons divide My opinion is just a point of view And your position is the other side Parallel lives running parallel with YOU To the point where… Read more »

Mehen

Can’t say I’m convinced.

Daft

>I’m just an ordinary guy

Ordinary guys don’t give any of this a 2nd thought.

Wombat

Who asked for this?

Nobody. This isn’t the world any of us would have made.

So, who then?

I’ve come around to thinking that the answer is metaphysical. We cannot see the source of the evil, but we know he is there by his rotten fruits.

Wombat

I am considering this.

Karenica? Diogenes?

Some mood music to consider by:

John Fogerty – The Old Man Down The Road (Official Music Video)

Wombat

“I worked at a bitcoin company, young and naive. I thought to myself, this is going to offer people the ability to make cheap transactions online, a kind of decentralized Paypal of the people if you will.
Well, what we got was a bunch of ponzi schemes, elderly scammed out of their life savings and an environmental catastrophe.”

I feel your pain. I have naively worked on things that were sold as one thing but were basically delivering the nasty opposite or something else rotten.

One goes into these things as crusader, thinking one is going to do good, only to discover to one’s horror that the opposite is in fact happening.

That’s what Babylon does – it somehow twists good intentions into bad outcomes.

Knowing that doesn’t make the ‘moral injuries’ that it deals feel any better though.  

Diogenes

Reality itself is a simulation too. It’s all only atoms. All above is imagined, simulated. So why care if we live in a simulation? We do it. Unavoidable.

Am I really the only one (and the cannibals on New-Guinea) who never spoke directly to an AI?

Wombat

I have spoken to AI.

If it feels like it’s ear-worming you, that’s because it is.

Charlie the Scorpion

Your syntax is awful.
That’s a terribly constructed sentence.

Wombat

It’s not so bad.

We pay much heavier sin taxes down here in Oz.

Example:

In stick form not exceeding in weight 0.8 grams per stick actual tobacco content:
$ per stick
From 1 March 2025 to 31 August 2025: 1.40312
From 1 September 2025: 1.49832

So basically $1.50 in tobacco excise sin tax for each ciggie!!!

Our young comrade cannot beat that.

Wombat

There’s your business proposition right there.

It probably costs something in the order of AUD .30c or less to manufacture a pack of 20 cigarettes.

Do the math.

mulga mumblebrain

China doesn’t want to ‘beat’ anyone in AI, which is why Deepseek etc have been made Open Source. The Yanks see AI as a last ‘Hail Mary’ to ‘bring China down’ and go on ruling the planet, forever.

Wombat

Yeah, the old world order is ending.

Tis a pity Chinamen cook dogs alive.

‘Tis our curse, I suppose. . .

Wombat

Sorry, fresh trauma is making Wombat more honest than is ‘seemly’.

It’s been a hard few days.

kareninca

I’m very sorry, Wombat.

Wombat

Thanks. It’s much appreciated.

Better luck in the new year hey?

Wombat

And if my thought-dreams could been seen
They’d probably put my head in a guillotine
But it’s alright, Ma, it’s life, and life only.

(28) Bob Dylan – It’s Alright, Ma (I’m Only Bleeding) (Official Audio) – YouTube

mulga mumblebrain

Fret, not, racist-the Chinese authorities have cracked down on roasting dogs, unlike the Zionists, who still love roasting Gazan human beings alive.

Igor Chudov

I have some “diabetes genes”. I wish that I could somehow make some edits so that my kids (I have two) did not inherit these genes.

kareninca

Igor, this is counterintuitive but worked for my blood sugar:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1499267119306604.

My A1C has always been in the 5.5-5.7 range. After a few months of daily oatmeal it is now 5.2. It has never, ever been anything like that before.

Also fisetin. You can get it from strawberries (only significant food source), or from capsules (I take 600 mg. every 5th day).
Mice fed a fisetin-enriched diet remained diabetic, but acute kidney enlargement-or hypertrophy-seen in untreated mice was reversed, and high urine protein levels, a sure sign of kidney disease, fell. Moreover, fisetin ingestion ameliorated anxiety-related behaviors seen in diabetic mice. 
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/flavonoids-could-represent-two-fisted-assault-on-diabetic-complications-and-nervous-system-disorders/

Leo Bulero

My father was an alcoholic. Smoked (heavily!) and drank (LOL) all his life and was diabetic and died at 84 years old.

mulga mumblebrain

Our old neighbour smoked Camels from the age of seven, had all his marbles to the end, like joking that the smokes ‘…will be the death of me’, in his nineties, and was found peacefully dead in his lounge chair by his son, at 101.

James R

Free market could not last forever and the people that largely run the world know that and are creating a new system accordingly. You are absolutely correct that market demand doesn’t exist for this